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here's gene Stein

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it's a legend my friend the fact we can

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have a picture of you a cartoon I know

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red pill junky is working on caricatures

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for you and I and maybe we can have one

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character to review with a grumpy look

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on your face not like it when I see

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right now your avatar and Skype you're

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smiling you know this is after visiting

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your girlfriend so we've got the smile

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no I'm a bachelor now I'm sorry to hear

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that

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relationships are difficult

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well it's drama is something that I

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break out in hives and and no calamine

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lotion can help I just you know family

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drama especially not your family it's

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just I don't know it's just not my cup

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of tea I could tell you stories about

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family drama I think you've heard about

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some of it and I won't mention it on the

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air I did want to mention just very

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briefly our guest last week Stanton

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Friedman the thing that bothers me about

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Stan and I know you feel the same way is

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that he's come to a point where

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basically it's just playing back a

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cassette tape machine and the reason I

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say cassette tape machine is because you

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know he was around when they had

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cassette tapes he was around when they

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had phonograph records I don't think the

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Edison cylinder though you know he's a

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analog man he's an analog guy so he has

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this spiel that he repeats but then of

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course Chris and I would ask him

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questions to upset the programming so

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for example when I raise the concerns

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about radiation in and around Roswell if

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it's a spaceship did they check for

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radiation what about the possibility of

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alien microbes didn't he dismissed that

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completely well if you've got alien

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beings that you've recovered

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the crew of a spaceship that came here

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from another planet you don't think that

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they should be checking for the

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possibility that these creatures might

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have microbes that can harm us yeah yeah

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he really never even really addressed

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those potential issues he just kind of

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like solid you know he just sort of

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dismissed it off out of hand a little

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surprise but well he's doing what he

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charges the skeptics with doing which is

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to just dismiss something out of hand

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when the information might not be

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something they wish to confront but you

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have to confront those issues I mean we

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have people here who are touching alien

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spacecraft Aztec didn't somebody take

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something and hit one of the portholes

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with some kind of stick or something and

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then opens the other and open the door

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right so they're touching this thing and

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then we have Jesse Marcel brings the

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wreckage of a possible spaceship over to

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play with for his son to play with the

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wreckage Micah as well get some

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radiation poisoning hmm from that

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material the only reason you do that is

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because you know what you're bringing

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back you know it's there's a lot of

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nuances like that about that case and

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others that you know people just don't

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it doesn't really register I think in

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some people's minds that there would be

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in place one would think a very

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sophisticated and very regimented policy

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or some sort of you know conditional

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awareness that is brought to a situation

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where there's you know I would I would

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think pretty stringent protocols in

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place to deal with something exotic like

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that and you know like I mentioned on

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the air I mean we quarantine the Apollo

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astronauts I think the first three

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Apollo's when those guys were you know

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in hermetically sealed environments for

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a week or so if I remember correctly I'm

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not exactly sure what the time period

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was but yeah you get all the way back

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from the moon and then you have to sit

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there and a you know a negative pressure

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I guess you'd kind of feel like a

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goldfish all these people looking in at

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you and oh well you know what can you do

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well then you're treated like a specimen

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they want to make sure you're not

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developing the creeping rot or something

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from the moon or whatever it is that's

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understandable but what is not

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understandable is the Roswell thing now

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understand that this may have been the

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first time something like this happened

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assuming it was the crash of a spaceship

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so the protocols were not fully in place

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I understand that but there had to be

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some level of caution this is the best

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of the best this military elite at

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Roswell they know this wouldn't they oh

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you would think but again it's the

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government so you can't assume anything

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right remember if everything is being

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done by the lowest bidder don't expect

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anything sense of quality there because

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that might be the truth about the

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spaceships the other thing that bothers

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me is the claim that the Roswell craft

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was brought down by our radar

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you know radars got be a pretty

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primitive thing to a race of beings who

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maybe hundreds or thousands of years

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ahead of us you know it's not like say

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in War of the Worlds et is brought down

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because he contracts a fatal disease

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from our microbes do you remember that

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how the story works I'm thinking of the

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movies not so much the book but the same

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concept look at the movies the two

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versions the one back in what the 60s

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and the one with Tom Cruise the aliens

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get a cold and because the aliens get a

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cold they die of course you think the

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aliens would have been smart enough to

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guard against that but then we had

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stupid aliens but don't assume that the

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troops at Roswell New Mexico were stupid

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I would think there were anything but

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and if anything really landed that was

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alien they would have done all sorts of

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things that apparently were not done and

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these are the things are being glossed

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over by people like Stan free

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it bothers me you know you have to admit

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you're wrong folks I don't assume that

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everything I knew when I was 25 years

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old is true no yeah maybe 99% no well I

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have a little announcement to make about

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my upcoming weekend

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Oh our listeners here this show are you

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gonna be in Joshua Tree California yep

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I'm taking the plunge to chaos in the

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desert and it's good because the two

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days I'm going to be gone the

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temperatures gonna spike in camp Camp

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Verde here the 707 to 109 degrees so I'm

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out of the pan into the fire I guess

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it'll probably be about definitely in

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triple digits in Joshua Tree but not

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gonna be quite as hot as it's gonna be

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here this weekend oh my goodness oh well

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so anyway my plan is to bring a video

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camera and kind of do a gonzo journalist

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approach sort of Fear and Loathing in

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Joshua Tree and and capture some of the

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color and some of the hoopla and some of

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the stories that I've heard you know

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over the past couple three years of

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really deficient facilities outrageously

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priced food I want to get a real good

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visual sense of the event put together a

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and he is written an interesting book

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that came out a short while ago called

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origin the 19th century emergence of the

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20th century breakaway civilizations

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he's kind of going against the mean

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which is that the breakaway civilization

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was more recent maybe the Nazis

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disappeared or something happened during

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World War two he's talking about

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something going back I guess now 150 or

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200 years we're gonna get the details of

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that with Walter Bosley and he's waiting

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in the wings or in his living room or

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Bosley changed his Skype identity now we

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understand he's in that former

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intelligence operative so are they

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trying to find you on skype is that

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what's going on no I just have in the

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past I've had a hell of a time making

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Skype work on old computers so I'm the

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way I remedied it was I would just

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create a new profile just to log on

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fresh so nothing spooky about it just my

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ineptitude

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well nothing spooky for a spook right

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that's right though of course not of

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course not but I have this new laptop

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that I got in December and it just Skype

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works beautifully on it so I think that

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the problem with Skype is when Microsoft

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bought the company they messed it up

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Microsoft doesn't do well with companies

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at one time Nokia was the world's best

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smartphone before the iPhone came out

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round the iPhone was killing it in the

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market so Microsoft buys the mobile

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division of Nokia and were like seven

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and a half billion dollars mm-hm and

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they've just been firing people right

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and left if you live in Finland while

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the big employers was once Nokia but

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Microsoft has been busy firing them

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I remember in the years that I was

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traveling internationally a lot between

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2000 and 2006 you know we would use cell

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phones you know get a cell phone on each

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trip and Nokia was the one I mean it was

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everywhere and everybody had one and you

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know I'm just wondering are they still

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that big or have they faded since

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Microsoft took over well right now the

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market share of Nokia is probably 1% or

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one and a half percent 97% of

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smartphones are either iPhones or

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Android L oh boy and the big market

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penetration for Android is the cheap

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stuff Apple is the mid to higher tier

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and the rest is Microsoft with Nokia

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blackberry nobody has a blackberry

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anymore do you remember you must know

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everybody in the early 2000s had

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BlackBerry's mm-hmm now yep they're

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about kaput I mean they have great

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technology their messaging technology is

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really good right well you know it's

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it's also interesting you'd mentioned

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that with Android having such a big

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market share in smartphones now let's

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think about the Lucasfilm connection to

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Android does that mean now that Disney

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is logged into to that market share of

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the smartphone business well the thing

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here is Google is selling you 90% of

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their income comes from targeted ads

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uh-huh

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so they build profiles of all the

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customers sell them to advertisers and

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that's their product they're not making

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money from Android actually Android was

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a private company a small start-up

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developing mobile phone technology and

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they bought up the company and they were

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going to design a smartphone that fit

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the standard of the time which was

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blackberry with the physical keyboard

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the iPhone came around and then they

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changed their tune and it's the same

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thing with Samsung if you look at the

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lawsuit involving Samsung why are we

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talking about technology I have

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no idea I want to ask you something

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about Roswell because if your father's

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connection okay isn't something that

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bothers me and I tried asking this

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question of Stanton Friedman last week

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and as mentioned I'd like Stanton I've

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known the guy for like 30 or 40 years

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he's a great guy

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and I think he's a higher percent

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sincere and everything he does but these

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days it's like playing back an old tape

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cassette when you ask him a question he

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just repeats the standard answers so I

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said okay you have the possibility of a

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crashed spaceship near Roswell New

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Mexico in 1947 yeah the best of the best

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of the military out there didn't they

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take radiation readings of that craft

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what about looking for alien microbes if

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they're recovering living beings isn't

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that the first thing I was thinking of

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course of War of the Worlds where how

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are the aliens defeated they catch colds

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mm-hmm so wouldn't you do that and I

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asked him this question and he just

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brushes it aside yes isn't that

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interesting it might it might simply be

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that you know we can assume that they

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would and yeah that's something that you

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would assume that they would do and

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perhaps you know Stanton and others

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whatever tepid or whatever lack of

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interest response to that is it's

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something you would assume they would do

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and it's you know just one of the

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details however I think that it's the

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kind of detail that would you know

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provide a lot of data you know and a

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potential answer so you would think that

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that would be you know one line of

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pursuit particularly for the ET

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hypothesis but maybe it's inconvenient

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that it doesn't seem to be available as

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a line of pursuit so well legitimately

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then we have to ask all these questions

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like you know Jesse Marcel senior

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bringing home part of the wreckage

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to his family to play with that shows

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the utmost and carelessness how do you

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do that unless you knew what that

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material was and that it was safe and

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the only way for it to be safe would be

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a conventional object or a balloon or

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something well good point good point I

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mean you're gonna bring it home you know

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and exposure your wife and child or

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anybody to that you know and it was 1947

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so it's not like you know these guys

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weren't aware of the dangers of

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radiation right so that that's a very

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good question why would why would

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someone bring that material you know

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into their home environment if it wasn't

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safe so that right there that as you

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point out that might be the evidence

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that it was done and there was no

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radiation so well that indicates they

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knew what it was it could be a test

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aircraft it could be a balloon it could

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be what sent by the breakaway

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civilization or something yeah that

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that's that's a very good point you're

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right that might be an indicator of

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absolutely that they knew what it was

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but did Marcel know you know that that's

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the whole question how much did he know

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what did he know how much of it was him

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you know what in a while the kid but I

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think you know people have explored that

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that idea enough and it's been

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determined that he was very sincere and

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what he was you know telling his son the

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based on what we know what we can know

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about it so maybe he didn't know exactly

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what it was but maybe someone higher up

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the line did which you know I'm in that

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camp I think they they certainly did

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know who it was what the source was we

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talked about this a long time ago I'm

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going to ask you in our next segment

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your dad's Roswell connection just

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briefly then when I get into your book

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okay let's do that in our next segment

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we've got Walker

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and the book that we're gonna be talking

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about is origin the 19th century

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emergence of the 20th century breakaway

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civilizations but first let's wrap this

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up especially in light of Stanton

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Friedman and his efforts to avoid the

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issue last week with Jean and Kris

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you're in the biggest

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thank you for listening to GCN

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Bosley coping with a recalcitrant Skype

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connection and this shows that poor

616
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Walter had with his computer yeah just

617
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as I finished saying that I have a

618
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brand-new computer virtually in Skype

619
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works beautifully on it you know what

620
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are we to think of that well this was

621
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something you got from the Home Shopping

622
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Network right yeah it was a gift and I

623
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:56,710
increasingly have learned that you know

624
00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:58,270
when you go buy a laptop from Best Buy

625
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,130
or somewhere else there's some basics

626
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that are already ready to go and I'm

627
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learning this particular one off HSN

628
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there's so many basics that I'm having

629
00:28:12,030 --> 00:28:09,850
to activate and I too often find out but

630
00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:12,040
I need to activate them when I'm in the

631
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:14,380
middle of using one of the applications

632
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and suddenly it shuts down on me so this

633
00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:20,470
one apparently is the sound card but I

634
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,840
think the update they did when I

635
00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:24,880
restarted seemed to fix the problem

636
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:26,920
there's always a Windows Update what

637
00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:29,260
bothers me is that Microsoft is out

638
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:31,780
there tricking people to upgrade to

639
00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:34,120
Windows 10 and they've even got I'll

640
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:36,220
just mention this because we have people

641
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,170
who use Windows computers on this show

642
00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:40,000
and my technologies show they have a

643
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:42,550
trick now where you click an X in a

644
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:45,100
dialog mm-hmm which normally is to

645
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:48,010
dismiss at the closing max yeah miss it

646
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:52,450
it triggers the Windows 10 update load

647
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:56,380
event yeah watch out folks I mean I'm

648
00:29:01,260 --> 00:28:58,510
not saying Windows 10 is bad but if

649
00:29:02,010 --> 00:29:01,270
you're offered Windows 10 do it on your

650
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:02,020
own terms

651
00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:04,450
don't let Microsoft trick you that's it

652
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:07,300
let's get back into Roswell you're dead

653
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:09,850
what was his connection to Roswell a

654
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:11,950
brief thing when he was in the Air Force

655
00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:16,480
in the late 50s he was working in really

656
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:18,190
the early days of the mercury program

657
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:21,430
his unit at former Georgia Air Force

658
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:24,280
Base up here in Hesperia California the

659
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:26,830
high desert his unit at physiological

660
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:28,840
training unit was the unit that was

661
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,240
selected to do the ground testing in

662
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,620
altitude chambers for the mercury

663
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,880
spacesuit the pressure suit the famous

664
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:37,440
silver

665
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:38,850
one that you recalled from the movie the

666
00:29:44,659 --> 00:29:41,850
red stuff and so he had a clearance that

667
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,669
was pretty high because he was working

668
00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:46,320
on issues really directly related to

669
00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:49,950
America's space program he had been back

670
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:53,960
east in Alabama at gunner Air Force Base

671
00:30:00,190 --> 00:29:57,659
involved in training pilots and briefing

672
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:00,200
Air Force personnel on matters related

673
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:03,750
when he and a couple other guys from his

674
00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:07,919
unit were sent to Texas got on the plane

675
00:30:13,369 --> 00:30:10,350
to head to Texas to one of the bases

676
00:30:16,249 --> 00:30:13,379
there for some other briefing issue

677
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:16,259
somewhere over Louisiana the airplane

678
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,710
made a northward banking turn an officer

679
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:22,799
came out of the forward cabin and

680
00:30:25,639 --> 00:30:24,210
explained to them that they were not

681
00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:25,649
going to Texas they were going to

682
00:30:30,649 --> 00:30:27,990
wright-patterson in Ohio once they got

683
00:30:33,259 --> 00:30:30,659
there he says they were briefed in on

684
00:30:36,379 --> 00:30:33,269
what happened in Roswell that you know

685
00:30:38,869 --> 00:30:36,389
roughly ten or eleven years prior from

686
00:30:42,919 --> 00:30:38,879
there he and the two guys from his unit

687
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,929
were then sent out to Arizona a specific

688
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:45,000
location all I know is it was in the

689
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:47,159
vicinity of Winslow an underground

690
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:49,610
location where they were part of the

691
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:53,970
retrieval of the pilots crew or whatever

692
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,200
of another crash which he was told and

693
00:31:04,509 --> 00:31:00,360
this is what he told me what he was told

694
00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:04,519
is that it was a essentially a hidden

695
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:06,990
civilization here on earth in the

696
00:31:13,369 --> 00:31:10,200
underground and that that's what Roswell

697
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,379
had been it was the people from the

698
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,240
underground he was told it had happened

699
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:18,240
again they were shown one of the bodies

700
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,539
or the body that was being stored at

701
00:31:27,369 --> 00:31:24,000
wright-patt you know there it is for

702
00:31:30,379 --> 00:31:27,379
what it's worth he was very sincere

703
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:30,389
telling this story how old are you when

704
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:33,299
he told you this story he started

705
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:37,500
talking about this issue in the mid 70s

706
00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:41,580
prior to that first roswell book by Bill

707
00:31:46,999 --> 00:31:44,429
Moore a couple of years prior three or

708
00:31:50,419 --> 00:31:47,009
four years prior and you know over the

709
00:31:51,139 --> 00:31:50,429
years he would tell you know me a little

710
00:31:54,979 --> 00:31:51,149
bit more about

711
00:31:57,139 --> 00:31:54,989
but I learned the most about it after I

712
00:32:01,369 --> 00:31:57,149
was already working for the the

713
00:32:03,499 --> 00:32:01,379
government myself and he was sick in 92

714
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,509
he had my dad had a heart transplant in

715
00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:06,059
the early 90s and before that when a

716
00:32:11,659 --> 00:32:07,469
blood clot had put him in the hospital

717
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:11,669
he was heavily sedated and was you know

718
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:15,929
gibbering about stuff and he was talking

719
00:32:23,419 --> 00:32:18,809
about you know things related to this

720
00:32:26,239 --> 00:32:23,429
underground experience and I've whoa

721
00:32:30,379 --> 00:32:26,249
what's he talking about here and I

722
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,389
learned from my mentor who had spent who

723
00:32:34,729 --> 00:32:33,539
died recently by the way who spent you

724
00:32:36,859 --> 00:32:34,739
know forty four years and the

725
00:32:38,959 --> 00:32:36,869
intelligence community himself and was

726
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:38,969
the guy that brought me in and kind of

727
00:32:44,089 --> 00:32:40,049
opened the doors and made my career

728
00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:44,099
happen you know he informed me to a

729
00:32:51,499 --> 00:32:47,070
degree of what my dad was talking about

730
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:51,509
and you know over the years I talked to

731
00:32:57,129 --> 00:32:53,159
him more about it and and I will say

732
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,139
that even though he told me this story

733
00:33:03,709 --> 00:32:59,820
over several years it remained

734
00:33:06,859 --> 00:33:03,719
consistent even if he gave me you know

735
00:33:10,779 --> 00:33:06,869
more info as the years went on it was

736
00:33:12,859 --> 00:33:10,789
never it was never in that vein of

737
00:33:16,879 --> 00:33:12,869
contradicting anything he had said in

738
00:33:18,409 --> 00:33:16,889
the past of course people asked me well

739
00:33:19,879 --> 00:33:18,419
do you believe it do you think that but

740
00:33:22,459 --> 00:33:19,889
well I'll tell you that this is the

741
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:22,469
first public mention I made of this but

742
00:33:26,869 --> 00:33:24,169
my new book that I'm writing is about

743
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:26,879
what my dad told me for the first time

744
00:33:32,329 --> 00:33:29,580
I'm really diving into that to analyze

745
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:32,339
it and present you know more details as

746
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,529
many details as I can get on it and what

747
00:33:39,859 --> 00:33:36,539
I think about that well I'm really

748
00:33:42,139 --> 00:33:39,869
interested in how much we know about

749
00:33:46,369 --> 00:33:42,149
this particular underground civilization

750
00:33:49,399 --> 00:33:46,379
or how much you're privy to I have an

751
00:33:51,979 --> 00:33:49,409
interesting case of a very very reliable

752
00:33:55,639 --> 00:33:51,989
source that was attached to the

753
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,649
expanding the Los Alamos lab underground

754
00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:57,210
was actually an underground demolition

755
00:34:02,569 --> 00:34:00,419
expert and his team broke into what he

756
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:02,579
described as a ancient antediluvian

757
00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:04,460
tunnel system that

758
00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:07,070
was obviously 10 12,000 years old and

759
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:10,280
artifact shirred and it went quite a

760
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:14,060
distance and they literally went as far

761
00:34:17,830 --> 00:34:15,230
as they could before they had to turn

762
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:17,840
around so they could get back by the end

763
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:19,850
of their shift and of course Abel told

764
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:21,350
not to say anything about it the team

765
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:24,170
sure looking up and his particular new

766
00:34:31,090 --> 00:34:27,740
assignment was digging a tunnel from the

767
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:31,100
lab up to the dulce area which I've

768
00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:32,990
always found very compelling and and

769
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:36,020
again this comes from a source his son

770
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:40,040
was a postmaster for the lab for many

771
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:43,310
years so I'm just wondering what is the

772
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:44,840
extent of our knowledge about this

773
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,370
civilization

774
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:49,520
how close genetically are they to humans

775
00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:52,970
did they develop separately how far down

776
00:34:57,490 --> 00:34:55,100
do they go do they go into the Earth's

777
00:35:01,570 --> 00:34:57,500
mantle I mean what what was he able to

778
00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:01,580
divulge to you about the actual makeup

779
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:04,040
of these beans and in the level of their

780
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:08,150
technology what my dad told me based on

781
00:35:16,330 --> 00:35:10,700
what he says he was briefed in and what

782
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:16,340
he was told and this was backed up by my

783
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:20,690
mentor I'll add in fact I got two

784
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:22,130
different pieces of information here

785
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:24,770
that I'll go into you know a set from my

786
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:27,130
dad and and then a set from my mentor

787
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,410
what my dad was shown and told there's

788
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,240
that there they're basically us there

789
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:35,680
they're human beings who you know around

790
00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:38,150
again there's that number ten to twelve

791
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:40,220
thousand years ago they went underground

792
00:35:45,330 --> 00:35:43,490
during a surface Cataclysm well you know

793
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:45,340
a lot has been written about that

794
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:48,110
discussed about that well that sounds

795
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:50,990
like DeRozan teros it sounds like it

796
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:54,170
yeah it sounds like I didn't want to

797
00:36:01,720 --> 00:35:57,650
venture into shaver territory but I am

798
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:01,730
in the book but he says that they're you

799
00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:03,770
know they're human beings that went

800
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:06,620
underground and stayed there and their

801
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:08,690
civilization develop separate from ours

802
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:10,790
and that he was told that they really

803
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:12,620
want little to nothing to do with us

804
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:17,390
it's just that they came to us because I

805
00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:18,170
guess the the

806
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:19,550
experience with the Roswell thing

807
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:22,190
whatever the details actually were the

808
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:23,810
according to my dad what he was briefed

809
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:25,430
in on what he says he was briefed in on

810
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:28,070
and they came to us for help to find

811
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:30,770
their pilot or their crew in this late

812
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:33,590
50s crash in eastern Arizona now what my

813
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:36,710
mentor now I want to stop here and go on

814
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:38,750
to the rest of the answer we've got more

815
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:41,630
to come we're exploring breakaway

816
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:45,590
civilizations what were they what are

817
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:48,740
they doing today right now the early

818
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00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,890
hi this is Bryce Abel and the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

921
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para cast the gold standard of

922
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paranormal radio all right I didn't mean

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to interrupt you break but them's the

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laws you got to do those things some now

925
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what my uncle one of the things he told

926
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me that has been very interesting to me

927
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:50,339
over the years and in the early late 80s

928
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:52,200
early 90s I think it was the it was the

929
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:54,329
early 90s because I was in New York so

930
00:42:03,829 --> 00:41:57,690
it had been sometime around 1991 he told

931
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:03,839
me that there had been another chamber

932
00:42:10,579 --> 00:42:08,130
at Carlsbad in New Mexico that had been

933
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:10,589
discovered that they had not divulged

934
00:42:16,579 --> 00:42:14,339
yet he said that this and it was huge it

935
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:16,589
was much bigger than the big one that

936
00:42:23,029 --> 00:42:19,260
the tourists would be shown and he told

937
00:42:26,059 --> 00:42:23,039
me that this had been explored gone it

938
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:26,069
discovered I guess in the some time

939
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:28,410
during the 50s and one second please

940
00:42:33,019 --> 00:42:31,260
Walter your uncle this time what was his

941
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:33,029
connection to what your father was doing

942
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,020
do you mean direct connection or is this

943
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:38,940
something where he's relating what your

944
00:42:44,809 --> 00:42:41,730
father might have told him no no this is

945
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:44,819
my uncle had been in the Army he went

946
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,150
into the army in the 50s he was Special

947
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Forces he was one hundred and first

948
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Airborne he was brought into the

949
00:42:59,900 --> 00:42:55,559
intelligence community early in his army

950
00:43:04,069 --> 00:42:59,910
career and I believe in the late 50s he

951
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:04,079
would have been still mostly attached to

952
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:06,150
the army but doing intelligence work

953
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:08,430
there's some things about his career I

954
00:43:14,539 --> 00:43:11,339
can't really divulge but you can you

955
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:14,549
know people can do some math and you

956
00:43:20,299 --> 00:43:17,250
know figure out you know the basics but

957
00:43:23,029 --> 00:43:20,309
he was aware of the details of my dad's

958
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:23,039
career and he he would tell me a little

959
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:27,150
bit and he would encourage me later in

960
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my dad's life to get into town

961
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:31,650
more about it because by that time I had

962
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a clearance that you know I could talk

963
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to him about these things if he if he

964
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chose to but anyway going back to the

965
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what my what my uncle told me about

966
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:43,230
Carlsbad and this was in the early 90s

967
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that they had discovered this chamber

968
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that was again it was huge and it was

969
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bigger than the big one that they would

970
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:53,970
they had been showing tourists for years

971
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but they had kept it classified among

972
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the things they found in there were

973
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:03,030
relics of some past civilization and he

974
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stated that in a general way other than

975
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a particular piece of technology that

976
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had to do with a pair of spectacles

977
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before I get into that or before you

978
00:44:20,359 --> 00:44:16,680
asked about that let me finish the thing

979
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:20,369
about the cavern it was a few years

980
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:23,369
after he told me about this other

981
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chamber at Carlsbad that the Department

982
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of the Interior actually revealed that

983
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and said oh this has been you know

984
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:36,300
recently discovered well he had told me

985
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that it had been discovered in the 50s

986
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:39,780
when I talked to him about it again he

987
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said yeah they've known about that for a

988
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,950
lot longer than they're letting on and

989
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:46,400
you can you know you can find this I

990
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:48,510
could dig it up and send you the link

991
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:52,380
even to the article on when they came

992
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:55,980
public with this huge chamber so that I

993
00:45:02,240 --> 00:44:58,619
offer that as kind of a corroboration of

994
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:02,250
at least you know part of the story that

995
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:03,810
my uncle had told me in the early 90s

996
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,290
before DOI revealed this in light of

997
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:09,480
that I think it's interesting that isn't

998
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that where the website is that they're

999
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taking all the nuclear waste from the

1000
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National Labs in New Mexico and trucking

1001
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,760
it down there and and storing it

1002
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:20,040
underground I doubt they'd be doing it

1003
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:21,690
at Carlsbad just simply because of the

1004
00:45:29,090 --> 00:45:25,310
you know the tourism aspect of it but a

1005
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:29,100
shave complex somewhere the website read

1006
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:29,430
Billy

1007
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:31,380
oh I'm not familiar with that particular

1008
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:35,580
site Wow Wow that kind of surprises me

1009
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:38,730
that they would but then again hey this

1010
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:41,310
is why we have the para cast right we

1011
00:45:45,339 --> 00:45:43,170
try to figure out what other people can

1012
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:45,349
for your Apple let's go back in time

1013
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:50,280
supposedly humans mm-hmm what ten twelve

1014
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:52,380
thousand thirteen thousand years ago

1015
00:45:58,099 --> 00:45:53,369
uh-huh

1016
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,109
retreated into these caves why because

1017
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:00,420
the surface was deadly at that time

1018
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:02,790
there was a some cataclysmic events

1019
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:04,980
going on yeah the water you know the

1020
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:08,160
flooding all sorts of stuff they had to

1021
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:10,650
first survival okay so that takes us

1022
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,470
back to the shaver story unfortunately

1023
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:15,900
that's the core of the shaver story oh

1024
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,569
yeah and don't get me wrong like I said

1025
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:20,700
I I in fact I was just reading a bunch

1026
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:22,230
of shaver material last night because

1027
00:46:26,839 --> 00:46:25,049
like I said in the new book I have to

1028
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:26,849
look at this I have to examine it have

1029
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:29,250
to cover it you know any examination of

1030
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,569
what we're talking about here you have

1031
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:32,160
to look at the Schaffer material and

1032
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:34,530
what's interesting is since you bring it

1033
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:36,839
up is you know he did an interview in

1034
00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:39,569
which he stated that you know he

1035
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,270
admitted what Palmer and he said that he

1036
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:44,640
and Palmer were good friends and you

1037
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:45,750
know remains so

1038
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:48,690
but Palmer had sensationalized the stuff

1039
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:51,390
of course and and kind of presented it

1040
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:53,960
in a way that he had not intended so

1041
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:56,430
yeah you would have to think that

1042
00:47:04,069 --> 00:46:59,839
there's some type of core or nugget of

1043
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:04,079
whatever the truth may be that shaver

1044
00:47:10,549 --> 00:47:08,430
was operating on now supposedly shaver

1045
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:10,559
claims that when he finally admitted the

1046
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:13,530
fact that he was railroaded into a

1047
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:15,470
mental institution for a number of years

1048
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:18,450
mm-hmm that's part of the story right

1049
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,760
yeah a fact he was in mental

1050
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:22,380
institutions a couple of times in his

1051
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,150
life understand here as you probably

1052
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,520
know and our listeners know because that

1053
00:47:32,049 --> 00:47:29,099
mentioned it that my first wife Geneva

1054
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:32,059
and I knew shaver fairly well oh my gosh

1055
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:35,130
okay we wasn't aware of that I

1056
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:38,970
interviewed him for my magazine in the

1057
00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:44,130
early 1970s he had a cottage in Summit

1058
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:47,309
Arkansas beautiful cottage where he and

1059
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,599
his wife lived and I think he died in

1060
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:53,880
his late 60s or something mhm

1061
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:56,490
but he had this very sly sense of you

1062
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,859
mm-hmm and you got an indication about

1063
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:00,540
that where I was asking him a question

1064
00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:03,270
well what are you going to do next that

1065
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,430
was my question roughly speaking the

1066
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,380
final question in the interview he said

1067
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:09,060
I'm just gonna get a cigarette

1068
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:18,530
love it I also had met Ray Palmer once

1069
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,660
in the 60s talked to him on the phone

1070
00:48:28,579 --> 00:48:24,000
four or five times after that and he

1071
00:48:31,450 --> 00:48:28,589
died in the latter part of the 70s so I

1072
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:31,460
knew them I knew people who knew Palmer

1073
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:34,740
like Auto bender was famous science

1074
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:37,560
fiction writer and comic book writer you

1075
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:39,150
know he wrote for the original Shazam

1076
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:41,420
Captain Marvel he created or co-created

1077
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,050
Supergirl that kind of thing I've

1078
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:45,359
mentioned it on the show before but I

1079
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:47,940
found Palmer and shaver especially

1080
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,020
Palmer to be a fascinating character but

1081
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:53,880
unfortunately shaver never really wrote

1082
00:49:00,380 --> 00:48:56,280
that true autobiography he was prolific

1083
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:00,390
as hell mm-hmm over the years I mean you

1084
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:02,580
write him and you get pages and pages of

1085
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:05,849
material so I think you know based on

1086
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:07,380
what you're saying you're playing the

1087
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:10,230
same game here that Shafer was playing

1088
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:12,119
you both tap into the same thing but

1089
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:16,250
these beings who went underground and

1090
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:18,690
they're still is that the breakaway

1091
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,030
civilization because your book origins

1092
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:23,640
talks about something from the 19th

1093
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:25,800
century so is that the same thing or two

1094
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:29,070
separate differencing the breakaway

1095
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:32,490
civilizations of my book origin the 19th

1096
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:35,790
century breakaways are two different

1097
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:37,950
those are different things from this

1098
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:44,030
lost ancient civilization now the lost

1099
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:46,730
technology of the forgotten civilization

1100
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:51,089
I think is what these humans that went

1101
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:52,770
underground ten to twelve thousand years

1102
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:55,230
ago I think this is what they got their

1103
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,359
hands on and continued to develop but as

1104
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:03,359
far as the two groups that emerged in

1105
00:50:07,579 --> 00:50:06,150
the 19th century that's those are

1106
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:07,589
surface groups

1107
00:50:11,509 --> 00:50:09,450
those are you know of course the German

1108
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,519
group and the American group what I

1109
00:50:17,539 --> 00:50:14,160
called you know the the 1903 the

1110
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,549
American group they they're they're

1111
00:50:22,059 --> 00:50:19,920
separate from this underground

1112
00:50:25,219 --> 00:50:22,069
civilization

1113
00:50:28,009 --> 00:50:25,229
now the original underground

1114
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:28,019
civilization would we regard them as

1115
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:31,950
human today if we saw them yes based on

1116
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,729
my dad's description there they affair

1117
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:38,640
us essentially they're they're us just a

1118
00:50:42,769 --> 00:50:40,710
group of us that went underground and

1119
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:42,779
stayed there according to him and

1120
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:45,900
probably have incredible spray-tan

1121
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:51,660
technology oh yeah be kind of pasty

1122
00:50:55,819 --> 00:50:53,430
white webfinger to have bulging eyes

1123
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:55,829
kind of look like steagle and the Lord

1124
00:51:04,309 --> 00:50:59,460
of the Rings I would imagine he did say

1125
00:51:07,279 --> 00:51:04,319
that you know they had their there their

1126
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,289
other senses had been developed these

1127
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:09,599
people he encountered because of being

1128
00:51:15,620 --> 00:51:12,359
down underneath there and the the issues

1129
00:51:17,959 --> 00:51:15,630
with the vision which doesn't match what

1130
00:51:19,489 --> 00:51:17,969
some of the you know the other lore says

1131
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:19,499
which you know you get down there far

1132
00:51:25,279 --> 00:51:21,420
enough and there's this whole central

1133
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:25,289
Sun idea but I'm more of why I don't

1134
00:51:31,459 --> 00:51:27,450
want to say an advocate of but I lean

1135
00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:31,469
towards the the vast habitable cavity

1136
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:33,809
theory as opposed to the traditional

1137
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,900
Hollow Earth ball theory we'll get back

1138
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:39,839
more into the underworld what's going on

1139
00:51:48,849 --> 00:51:42,089
there with Walter Bosley and Jean and

1140
00:51:48,859 --> 00:51:53,870
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1147
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1148
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1150
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1151
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[Music]

1186
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:10,640
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1187
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:14,990
standard of paranormal radio and now

1188
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,280
here's Jane Steinberg you notice how

1189
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:26,640
grumpy Chris takes on a under earth

1190
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,420
aspect progress all right they have

1191
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:33,440
heightened senses yeah in what sense

1192
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:37,770
which is like you know a bats develop

1193
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:39,030
you know really good

1194
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,390
sonar sense of hearing so to speak you

1195
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:45,839
know because vision is limited so the

1196
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:48,839
eyes aren't so I and honestly I do not

1197
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,330
know how this plays into here they have

1198
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:52,740
this technology and there's flying these

1199
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:55,619
things around I mean I I couldn't tell

1200
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:58,290
you how that plays into that all I can

1201
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:01,400
say is what my dad told me you know

1202
00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:04,290
what's interesting about that technology

1203
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:08,280
is the description of what he said that

1204
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:12,839
the the guy wielded he wielded a a tube

1205
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:15,839
about a foot long 12 inches long this

1206
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:18,210
looked like just a tube and he had

1207
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:21,420
pointed it at the guy the Air Force guy

1208
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:22,920
standing next to my dad and it

1209
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,750
essentially shut the man down it killed

1210
00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:27,119
him but it was like he just flipped off

1211
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:30,990
the neuro electro impulses of the human

1212
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:33,150
body and the guy just dropped dead on

1213
00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:35,160
the ground beside him and what's

1214
00:55:38,839 --> 00:55:37,320
interesting is when you read like you

1215
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:38,849
know the shaver material and all this

1216
00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:41,130
other material the fiction that has been

1217
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:43,020
written then the Hollow Earth stories

1218
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:46,020
and stuff they they talk about that very

1219
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,630
thing these tubes are these crystal

1220
00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:51,180
things and in my book I'm

1221
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:54,750
exploring the fact that that did indeed

1222
00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:57,660
exist in this literature and I'm I'll be

1223
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:00,690
analyzing did my dad get this from that

1224
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,950
or you know is it something that is true

1225
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,079
and real and the people who had written

1226
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:10,319
the fiction had you know some source or

1227
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,410
access to what was really down there you

1228
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,359
know yet it's it's questions I'll be

1229
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,760
exploring you know that I am right now

1230
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:20,880
and in my research I understand here

1231
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,849
live the fantasy fiction and covered

1232
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:26,040
some of this one example is Edgar Rice

1233
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,430
Burroughs who posited a civilization

1234
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:31,980
under the earth in his pellucid er

1235
00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:33,630
stories but then they would go through

1236
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:35,809
the holes of the polls which Palmer

1237
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,700
later grabbed and used fill actually

1238
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:40,800
actually umber owes David eyeness and

1239
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,500
Abner Perry they did that that drilling

1240
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:45,839
machine if you recall that that mouling

1241
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:48,210
thing because by the time Burroughs

1242
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:51,089
wrote those books his first Palouse at

1243
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:54,450
our book the polar explorers had already

1244
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:56,490
you know pretty much found and proven

1245
00:57:00,620 --> 00:56:57,960
that there were no giant holes at the

1246
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:00,630
poles so I remember the early books and

1247
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:02,790
yet they went like a balloon or

1248
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:04,710
something to the Inner Earth from the

1249
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:07,230
holes at the poles no not not burrows

1250
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:08,940
because yes absolutely

1251
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:12,059
you first first polluters story look it

1252
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:16,140
up I it was it was at the Earth's core

1253
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:19,140
and they do a drilling machine the the

1254
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,210
big drill is on the nose color it was

1255
00:57:25,579 --> 00:57:23,040
Jules Verne that had him going into blue

1256
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,589
wasn't it yeah that does sound like

1257
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:27,960
Verne but by the time by the time

1258
00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:30,030
Burroughs was doing his the polar

1259
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:33,150
exploration had already and I don't mean

1260
00:57:37,690 --> 00:57:34,770
to be a pain in the butt about this and

1261
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:37,700
contradict but I just got done

1262
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:39,900
researching this stuff and reminding

1263
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:41,849
myself and pulling out my old Burroughs

1264
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,470
books so that's why it's fresh in my

1265
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:45,599
mind well I know they tried to make

1266
00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:48,720
movies from it and they didn't come out

1267
00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:51,329
too well right oh the at the Earth's

1268
00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:54,270
core movie the the it was it's it's just

1269
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:57,780
wonderfully god-awful this is a problem

1270
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:00,660
other than Tarzan which rarely covered

1271
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:02,760
the actual character the way he was

1272
00:58:06,570 --> 00:58:04,810
portrayed in the book

1273
00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:06,580
think there's a Tarzan remake now that

1274
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:09,070
tries to do it yeah now rather than

1275
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:11,410
debate this any further I did look it up

1276
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:12,310
you know

1277
00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:14,530
Tarzan went to the Earth's core in

1278
00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:16,750
Tarzan at the Earth's core he went to

1279
00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:19,420
pellucid ER and the way he got there was

1280
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:22,390
an airship constructed to penetrate

1281
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:25,690
pellucid er via the natural polar

1282
00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:29,140
opening connecting the outer and inner

1283
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:31,870
worlds in other words the holes at the

1284
00:58:38,130 --> 00:58:35,200
poles let's drop it there okay all the

1285
00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:38,140
stuff that Burroughs wrote they did very

1286
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:42,070
badly with they brought John Carter into

1287
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:45,250
a movie and Disney but they spent a lot

1288
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:46,930
of money in the special effects it

1289
00:58:52,170 --> 00:58:49,750
wasn't a bad movie but the marketing

1290
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:52,180
they had no clue they had no clue how to

1291
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:54,250
sell this thing and I think if they

1292
00:58:58,860 --> 00:58:57,640
maybe pushed it a little better well

1293
00:59:02,010 --> 00:58:58,870
there's a whole there's been a book

1294
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:02,020
written about the controversy potential

1295
00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:04,390
scandal of what Disney did to that John

1296
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:05,980
Carter movie because when they were in

1297
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:08,380
the middle of development going into

1298
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:08,980
production

1299
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:11,890
Disney then buys Lucasfilm and there was

1300
00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:14,680
one particular executive who just really

1301
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:16,360
wanted this John Carter thing to go away

1302
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:18,610
he was all turned on about now they own

1303
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:20,200
Star Wars and he's more excited about

1304
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:22,930
Star Wars and it's a whole it's a whole

1305
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:23,290
thing

1306
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:25,690
I think the book is titled the gods of

1307
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:29,070
Mars and it's it's all about how Disney

1308
00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:32,980
apparently tanked their own film and

1309
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:35,260
then the irony is it turns out the year

1310
00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:37,630
that it was released on DVD it was the

1311
00:59:42,780 --> 00:59:40,840
number one selling DVD movie of that

1312
00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:42,790
year so now there's even talk about

1313
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:44,680
maybe doing another John Carter film but

1314
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:47,080
you know finally at last when Burroughs

1315
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:49,180
is getting a big-budget treatment the

1316
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,640
darn studio screws it up and drops the

1317
00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:54,160
ball it seemed the way that John Carter

1318
00:59:59,610 --> 00:59:57,100
went to Mars is very different in the

1319
01:00:01,260 --> 00:59:59,620
book because it was almost like a remote

1320
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,270
viewing kind of thing where he's lying

1321
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,000
his body is lying on earth but somehow

1322
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:06,880
he transports himself the essence to

1323
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:09,610
Mars whereas in the movie they were

1324
01:00:14,850 --> 01:00:12,610
using some kind of machine yeah you're

1325
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:14,860
right in the film there was some type of

1326
01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:16,750
technology it's been a while since I've

1327
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:17,620
seen the film

1328
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:19,510
some medallion or something wouldn't if

1329
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:20,860
yeah there was something like that

1330
01:00:26,610 --> 01:00:23,260
whereas jeans you know right in the book

1331
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:26,620
it was all it was all mind power he was

1332
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:29,740
able to send his physical self there he

1333
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:33,480
wished to go to Mars he wished himself

1334
01:00:40,110 --> 01:00:36,400
to go to Mars when you wish upon a

1335
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:40,120
planet it was like he sent a facsimile

1336
01:00:45,690 --> 01:00:43,570
he faxed himself no well when it comes

1337
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:45,700
to underground fantasy and stories my

1338
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:48,790
favorite was always the toraat son of

1339
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:51,130
stone which one of our listeners sent me

1340
01:00:55,230 --> 01:00:53,770
every issue of that comic book I

1341
01:00:57,420 --> 01:00:55,240
remember I just loved those comic books

1342
01:00:59,970 --> 01:00:57,430
when I was a kid well they you know and

1343
01:01:02,280 --> 01:00:59,980
I've been looking for in the 70s when

1344
01:01:05,310 --> 01:01:02,290
they putting burrows out was popular

1345
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:05,320
with all those Frazetta covers and you

1346
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:06,670
know there was a series called gore

1347
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:08,890
remember that Geor is how it was fell

1348
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:12,400
but gore was kind of a combination I

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don't want to call it a ripoff but of

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burrows and Robert E Howard's Conan

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there was all all that good stuff

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and it just kind of so the superhero was

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battling global warming what wrong Gore

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this Gore was more of the you know the

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Conan

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JOHN CARTER mix you could say scantily

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clad native ladies on the covers and

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monsters just you know just like the

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Burroughs and those the hotter it gets

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the more more the clothes come off you

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know that's right that's right that's

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what they say well they had all these

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creatures running around loincloths and

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everything he had this thing about

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everybody has loincloths Ron Carter and

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the people who went down to pellucid er

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and Carson of Venus I think that did the

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same thing there of course Venus it was

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so hot your hair would boil but then you

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know what can I say that's what they

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tell us anyway Barak and his sidekick

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we're in Beach claws I remember you know

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they tell us Venus is too hot to be

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there but do we really know it might be

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a complete mistake you almost think when

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you read some of these pulp fiction

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a hidden place and making a movie by the

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way of Doc Savage featuring the rock

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on for a few years and that could be

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para cast calm now the rock as Doc

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Savage now they say that because it was

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one of the early characters Street and

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Smith publications in the early thirties

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that a lot of the ideas later crafted

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into Superman came from Doc Savage now

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Street and Smith by the way also

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premiered the fictional character who

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influenced Batman and that of course was

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the shadow yes well wouldn't it be rock

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savage and that'd be get around some

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copyright issues just call him rock

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savage does he go by the rock still or

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is he Dwayne now and everything he still

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goes by both credit says Dwayne Johnson

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well but everybody calls him the rock a

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Hollywood name though Dwayne this is no

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it just doesn't that we were wrestling

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he was white name its white called

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himself the rock whereas doc savages

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real name was Clark Savage and that's

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where Clark Kent came from okay

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Clark savage jr. and when they created

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this superhero character they make our

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Kent in a civilian life

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I love tracing the influences of popular

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literature and film and stuff it's

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01:09:51,130 --> 01:09:48,529
always fun to examine them and watch the

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development of you know the later

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you know something crystallizes into you

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01:09:58,570 --> 01:09:56,179
know the concept that that's the big

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success like you know Indiana Jones of

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01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:01,100
course was the crystallization of a lot

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01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:03,050
that came before that and it's just it's

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01:10:08,770 --> 01:10:05,960
always fun to see how that develops a

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few years ago a company did reprints of

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the old Street and Smith original

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publications of the Doc Savage stories

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and they were available for a while but

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now they are very hard to find it's

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interesting though to that when you

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research say Burroughs and his

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influences for pellucid er he was

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looking into early literature about a

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Hollow Earth yes a lot of times they

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took fact and they crafted their fiction

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from it so this is something has been

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going on for years and years about under

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:42,860
earth civilization exactly with all

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sorts of strange capabilities and when

1571
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:46,699
we get back to the Roswell thing

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01:10:51,959 --> 01:10:48,620
inevitably we're circling back to that

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alright your father was told about the

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breakaway civilization therefore the

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01:10:58,180 --> 01:10:56,060
government knows who and what they he

1576
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was told about the the what I refer to

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as the lost civilization the lost people

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in okay so the government knows what's

1579
01:11:10,810 --> 01:11:08,239
going on here but that's yeah yeah I

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agree with that you know in my opinion

1581
01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:12,980
it seems like they would they would have

1582
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:15,020
to it makes sense that they would you

1583
01:11:18,370 --> 01:11:16,730
know look at all the underground you

1584
01:11:19,959 --> 01:11:18,380
know this is part of the research on my

1585
01:11:21,970 --> 01:11:19,969
new book also I've really gotten into

1586
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:21,980
the you know looking at

1587
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:23,910
available information that's out there

1588
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:26,340
on the underground bases and stuff you

1589
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know they've done so much down there and

1590
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:29,400
then based on what my uncle's told me

1591
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:32,310
you know yeah that's course they know

1592
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:36,060
about them and so do you Walter do you

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01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:39,540
think there's a complete underground you

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01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:43,230
know transportation system that sort of

1595
01:11:48,650 --> 01:11:45,450
thing that's been suggested by some of

1596
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:48,660
the you know more conspiratorial Hollow

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Earth people I here's where I'm at right

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now this has intrigued me for many years

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and at heart and and my gut tells that I

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lean towards that camp that there's

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something here there's something going

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on down there that you know we don't

1603
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know about that would you know would

1604
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amaze people now to the extent that

1605
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there is some global you know almost

1606
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underground subterranean you know rail

1607
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:24,330
system I don't know about that I don't

1608
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know if I'm convinced of that

1609
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,490
now that's beside the point that it's

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very possible it appears possible that

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you know our government since World War

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:37,530
two has built something like that that

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01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:39,810
would surprise us all probably as to its

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01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:41,820
extent to move missiles around and

1615
01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:43,980
personnel from one underground

1616
01:12:48,890 --> 01:12:45,750
installation to another but you know

1617
01:12:51,650 --> 01:12:48,900
that's just stretches of a hundred miles

1618
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:51,660
or so that's not a whole global thing

1619
01:12:57,230 --> 01:12:55,010
and and in my Burton book my book The

1620
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:57,240
Lost expedition of Sir Richard Francis

1621
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:00,120
Burton I talk about some of the problems

1622
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:03,420
with this ancient tunnel system is you

1623
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:05,820
know how much of it is still intact with

1624
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:08,430
various you know the you know

1625
01:13:12,980 --> 01:13:10,500
earthquakes and shifting of the

1626
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:12,990
continent how much of it would still be

1627
01:13:18,620 --> 01:13:15,810
connected where would it be big chunks

1628
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:18,630
that have been disconnected so you know

1629
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:20,040
you have to consider issues like that

1630
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:24,300
yeah where I'm at on this is my gut

1631
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:27,330
tells me at this point in my studies and

1632
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,210
what I know is that there's to some

1633
01:13:33,260 --> 01:13:32,880
degree I suspect there's something down

1634
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:33,270
there

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but to

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01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:37,960
to what extent I can't really I can't

1637
01:13:44,340 --> 01:13:40,330
say well we have a question from Greer's

1638
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:44,350
meeting planner I love that uh-huh

1639
01:13:48,570 --> 01:13:46,870
he wants to know if you could tell us

1640
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:48,580
who the current head of the breakaway

1641
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:51,730
civilization is because mr. Greer would

1642
01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:53,650
like to meet him and briefed him on the

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01:13:59,760 --> 01:13:55,870
reality of the UFO phenomenon for a

1644
01:14:01,070 --> 01:13:59,770
small fee of course that's some good

1645
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,080
humor there

1646
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:03,520
well it's good meeting planner so he's

1647
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:07,500
trying to set up a meeting I guess okay

1648
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:14,620
that's good next question well we'll get

1649
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:16,120
to more questions later I just had to

1650
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:17,410
kind of throw that instance we were

1651
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:20,440
talking about the breakaway civilization

1652
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:23,440
and and it's possible links to some sort

1653
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:27,280
of subterranean presence you've noticed

1654
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:29,020
I'm sure in your research Walter that

1655
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:32,110
almost every major culture and on the

1656
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:34,750
planet has a tradition of underground

1657
01:14:39,870 --> 01:14:36,730
dwelling intelligent beings whether they

1658
01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:39,880
be reptilian types with the Nagas and

1659
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:43,000
the or insectoid types like the the ant

1660
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:45,220
people from the Southwest publish

1661
01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:48,580
addition to the moon-faced people that

1662
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:50,500
escaped the Cherokee and were chased

1663
01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:53,590
underground for instance and and you can

1664
01:14:57,480 --> 01:14:55,870
go around the world it's in Africa you

1665
01:15:00,180 --> 01:14:57,490
have what traditions well among the

1666
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:00,190
Aborigines in Australia there's even I

1667
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:02,350
think some talk about a lava tube

1668
01:15:09,450 --> 01:15:06,910
dwelling diminutive beings in Hawaii in

1669
01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:09,460
Europe and in the British Isles today

1670
01:15:12,750 --> 01:15:10,720
right and you're supposed to a channel

1671
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:12,760
system that goes from Scotland to Greece

1672
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,550
or turkey know how they got into the

1673
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:17,440
Bosphorus but that's that's another

1674
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:21,280
question where do you see the tie-ins

1675
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:23,590
possibly originating from do you think

1676
01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:25,420
that this possible subterranean

1677
01:15:30,690 --> 01:15:28,300
civilization became high-tech and and

1678
01:15:34,190 --> 01:15:30,700
more advanced than the surface dwellers

1679
01:15:35,690 --> 01:15:34,200
did and possibly developed

1680
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:35,700
high-technology

1681
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:39,130
maybe millennia before we did or I mean

1682
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,810
what what is your research tell you

1683
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:43,360
about connecting points my research as

1684
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:46,930
I've laid out in origin and I touched on

1685
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:48,780
in the Burton book before

1686
01:15:54,529 --> 01:15:51,329
that is basically my position as this is

1687
01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:54,539
that a long long time ago you know this

1688
01:15:59,029 --> 01:15:56,280
other race comes here they bring they're

1689
01:16:01,160 --> 01:15:59,039
from another planet wherever they come

1690
01:16:03,529 --> 01:16:01,170
here they bring their civilizations

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01:16:06,799 --> 01:16:03,539
technology here and then at the point

1692
01:16:09,410 --> 01:16:06,809
that they leave or fall or whatever at

1693
01:16:13,339 --> 01:16:09,420
the point that they go away they have

1694
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:13,349
left behind remnants of this also with

1695
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:17,400
the earth-based human civilization that

1696
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:19,590
they have managed to bring up to a

1697
01:16:27,470 --> 01:16:23,940
certain level and in my opinion at this

1698
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:27,480
point in time is that that earth-based

1699
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civilization that had been brought up by

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this offworld civilization they then

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picked up the baton and continued with

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developing this technology we've got

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more to come with Walter Bosley and Jean

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interactions with offworld people and

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the breakaway civilization explain more

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01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:31,989
about that because at the beginning of

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your book you talk about ancient

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astronauts about the elder ones so go

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01:21:42,959 --> 01:21:39,880
ahead please yes

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01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:42,969
basically in origin 19th century

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01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:44,440
emergence of the 20th century breakaway

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01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:47,380
civilizations I say that the

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01:21:52,590 --> 01:21:50,590
extra-terrestrial thread and connection

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01:21:56,850 --> 01:21:52,600
to all of this that I talk about in the

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01:21:59,880 --> 01:21:56,860
book is way back in human history way

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01:22:02,100 --> 01:21:59,890
back as I was just saying a moment ago

1827
01:22:03,899 --> 01:22:02,110
you know that civil that offworld

1828
01:22:07,140 --> 01:22:03,909
civilization came here they brought up

1829
01:22:09,209 --> 01:22:07,150
earth human civilization up to a certain

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01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:09,219
level and when they vacated for whatever

1831
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:12,280
reason that earth human civilization

1832
01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:14,980
carried the baton forward and continued

1833
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,140
developing this technology to a

1834
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:19,600
particular level of advancement you know

1835
01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:22,390
with artificial light flying machines

1836
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:23,860
and you know the things you could

1837
01:22:28,590 --> 01:22:26,890
imagine and then that civilization for

1838
01:22:31,410 --> 01:22:28,600
whatever reason it could have been the

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01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:31,420
Cataclysm it fell okay

1840
01:22:39,149 --> 01:22:35,800
and then human beings after that little

1841
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:39,159
dark period so to speak they began to

1842
01:22:45,330 --> 01:22:42,210
look for the and find the remnants of

1843
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:45,340
that fallen civilization that was the

1844
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:47,590
product of the offworld influence and

1845
01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:51,400
they sought to put this stuff back

1846
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:53,590
together and rediscover it and make it

1847
01:23:00,120 --> 01:22:56,489
work again and that you know of course

1848
01:23:02,669 --> 01:23:00,130
late leads into what I talk about what's

1849
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:02,679
going on the 19th century with the Royal

1850
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,900
Society with the Prussian nimza and all

1851
01:23:13,950 --> 01:23:08,159
that and that led to the two breakaways

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01:23:15,150 --> 01:23:13,960
that I think exists and really are the

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01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:15,160
breakaway civil

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01:23:19,410 --> 01:23:16,990
nations that we're talking about when

1855
01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:19,420
we're talking about you know all this

1856
01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:21,670
mysterious breakaway civilization stuff

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01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:25,060
in our times I think it's these two that

1858
01:23:31,380 --> 01:23:28,690
emerged from the United States and from

1859
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:31,390
Germany in the 19th century and their

1860
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:35,170
tradition is that they come from this

1861
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:39,630
this century's long attempt to recapture

1862
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,120
the lost technology of that forgotten

1863
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:45,280
human civilization is this like an

1864
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:47,770
Atlantis Lemuria or something like that

1865
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:50,770
yeah it would be this forgotten

1866
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:52,840
civilization that I'm talking about not

1867
01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:54,370
truly forgotten of course when you look

1868
01:24:00,510 --> 01:23:57,070
at those traditions this would be that

1869
01:24:04,620 --> 01:24:00,520
civilization that you know we think of

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01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,630
as Atlantis again going back to Plato's

1871
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:06,960
story of it and stuff that somewhere

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01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:08,980
somewhere at the core of all this

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Atlantis Lemuria stuff somewhere in

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there my opinion is a core of fact that

1875
01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:15,910
there really was an advanced

1876
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civilization it puts Plato's allegory of

1877
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the cave into in kind of under a new

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light yeah so to speak well here's an

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interesting question from digital

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trickster who always manages to come up

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with some interesting questions and he's

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wondering if you have a sense of what

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the end game of these breakaways the

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disparate breakaway civilization might

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be dude do you think that they'll

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continue to just stay behind the scenes

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pulling the strings into what end or

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that one day they were gonna actually

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reveal themselves and if so what would

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cause that I think some compelling

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circumstance it would require a

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compelling circumstance for them to

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reveal themselves so openly now as as

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I've written as I've you know said

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before of the two breakaway

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civilizations which I have examined and

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01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:14,620
presented my opinions on it is the one

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01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:16,570
the the Prussian one associated with

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01:25:23,370 --> 01:25:20,830
this mysterious nimza that I think is

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01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:23,380
more interested in having its hands in

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our lives our our world as we know it

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and their endgame in my opinion is you

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know essentially domination political

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and social the other one the one that I

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call the 1903 or the American group I

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think when they took off in the early

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20th century they were sincere about

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really just wanting to go off and do

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their own thing they don't really want

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to stay here and lord it over us in my

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opinion I think they they just wanted to

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go do their own thing I can understand

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that I probably would do the same thing

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if I could but I think the other group

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that group that you know was started by

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this Prussian organization called nimza

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you know I think they were the ones who

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were really essentially the power the

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influence behind the the rise of the

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Nazis and I think that this mysterious

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nimza is the organization that's behind

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the Nazi International which Joseph

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01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:28,220
Farrell has written extensively about so

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you know from there you can figure out

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you know whose intentions are what we're

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thinking about project gas buggy in 1966

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where the El Paso gas company in concert

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with the Atomic Energy Commission

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detonated a 47 Megaton nuclear device

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under Dulce maybe they were trying to

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take out a an ant's nest instead of free

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up gas and oil yeah exactly exactly you

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know unless it was but they were doing

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some other you know sneaky weapons stuff

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and they you know they they muddied the

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public perception of that but yeah who

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knows you know gene it goes back to the

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Darrow's and the Tarot's you know maybe

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01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:20,360
maybe there are some bad tear Darrow's

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01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:23,840
down there and these stories of these

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01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:26,210
wars and battles have something to them

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01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:29,360
weed it's it's hard to tell yeah the

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01:27:37,930 --> 01:27:33,520
other thing is if there is warfare among

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01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:37,940
breakaway civilizations plural how does

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interesting it because when you look at

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that concept you have to say wow it's

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interesting that if this is going on

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they're keeping it you know off-planet

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as near as we can tell and you know at

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what point would it serve the purpose of

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01:28:07,919 --> 01:28:06,429
one or both of them to just say you know

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01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:07,929
screw it these people need to grow up

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01:28:15,930 --> 01:28:10,540
and know that we exists or whatever for

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01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:15,940
whatever purpose I think it impacts us

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01:28:21,810 --> 01:28:19,690
in our advancement of Technology I think

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01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:21,820
that this advance of Technology we've

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had in the last hundred years little

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01:28:31,919 --> 01:28:26,409
over a hundred years actually now going

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01:28:36,270 --> 01:28:31,929
on 120 130 years I think is what you're

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01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,280
talking about it is a huge clue that

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01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:39,040
these breakaways are out there and that

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01:28:46,649 --> 01:28:42,730
there is some type of conflict that is

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01:28:49,229 --> 01:28:46,659
driving development of certain you know

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01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:49,239
technologies and now some people point

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to the world wars and they say well you

1966
01:28:56,580 --> 01:28:54,850
know why why didn't they reveal

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01:29:00,240 --> 01:28:56,590
themselves then particularly in world

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01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:00,250
war ii well you know I've argued and I

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say that in a way nimza did through the

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Nazis

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you know they might not have come out

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01:29:12,030 --> 01:29:08,949
and said we are the nimza and this that

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01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:12,040
and the other but we come from Ultima

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Thule okay exactly what what what they

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01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:17,949
tried to do that with the Nazis see that

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they they used the Nazis as you know

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front guys for whatever reason or they

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they saw the Nazis as you know very

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intelligent useful idiots you know for

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whatever their objectives elegent useful

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idiots that's kind of an oxymoron isn't

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01:29:44,370 --> 01:29:41,260
it let's say highly educated and skilled

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01:29:46,380 --> 01:29:44,380
useful idiots because the world is full

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of highly educated and skilled idiots

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01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:49,800
you know boy you're telling me

1986
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:53,010
so a lot of them are running for

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01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,170
president but they often do right they

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are rising to the level of their

1989
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incompetence well here's another

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question from digital trickster do you

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think it's possible that one or both of

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these breakaway civilizations will

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create a massive global false flag event

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like such as an alien invasion as the

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example gives and if so why would they

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do this just for control purposes or let

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me do our break here and we'll go into

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the answer from Walter Bosley

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the book is origins we're learning all

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about breakaway civilizations and their

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possible influence on society and the

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things they're pulling and more with

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to that question ok yes I think if any

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group of the 2 was going to do such a

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thing

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it would be nimza and I think they

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already have started doing things like

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that look at 911 you know my position is

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that 911 was a an act by nimza through

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the hands of their Nazi international

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and that's just one example we only

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think that a group of people from Saudi

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Arabia under the control of Ben Laden

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did this the thing I wonder is how you

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can take they were involved they were

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involved how so they were the first

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level of a multi level operation let's

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say they were the Lee Harvey Oswald's of

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the thing now I'm not saying that that

2145
01:37:10,899 --> 01:37:07,849
releases them of all culpability in

2146
01:37:14,169 --> 01:37:10,909
their hand in it remember on this level

2147
01:37:16,690 --> 01:37:14,179
you had these guys who even though it

2148
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:16,700
was BS were willing to do

2149
01:37:22,030 --> 01:37:19,280
this okay whoever was they were willing

2150
01:37:24,370 --> 01:37:22,040
to do their part of it so to me that

2151
01:37:27,310 --> 01:37:24,380
makes them creepy bastards on their own

2152
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:27,320
now because they were duped is just

2153
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:29,330
delightful to me the fact that they were

2154
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:31,810
the idea that they were being used and

2155
01:37:37,570 --> 01:37:34,730
sacrificed and among the slaughter I I

2156
01:37:40,930 --> 01:37:37,580
find you know Joseph Farrell's new book

2157
01:37:43,660 --> 01:37:40,940
he he goes a step further he says that

2158
01:37:46,890 --> 01:37:43,670
the puppet string pullers were actually

2159
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:46,900
puppets themselves and they're yeah yeah

2160
01:37:51,970 --> 01:37:49,730
three-tiered conspiracy yeah the the

2161
01:37:54,610 --> 01:37:51,980
first level of that were these these

2162
01:37:57,190 --> 01:37:54,620
Saudi Arabian morons you know that were

2163
01:37:59,980 --> 01:37:57,200
willing to do this in the name of their

2164
01:38:01,600 --> 01:37:59,990
stupidity and then you had the guys who

2165
01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:01,610
thought you know they were pulling all

2166
01:38:06,730 --> 01:38:04,790
the strings that would have been the you

2167
01:38:08,830 --> 01:38:06,740
know among them would have been the and

2168
01:38:11,530 --> 01:38:08,840
this I find particularly heinous because

2169
01:38:14,230 --> 01:38:11,540
being an air force officer being a

2170
01:38:17,050 --> 01:38:14,240
former OSI agent and you know being in

2171
01:38:19,210 --> 01:38:17,060
that structure I just words don't

2172
01:38:20,980 --> 01:38:19,220
describe what I feel about the idea that

2173
01:38:22,780 --> 01:38:20,990
there were moles providing the

2174
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:22,790
information on you know this exercise

2175
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:25,280
and in that deployment and stuff like

2176
01:38:31,660 --> 01:38:28,490
that you know I used to try to hunt

2177
01:38:34,930 --> 01:38:31,670
those people when I was you know on duty

2178
01:38:38,380 --> 01:38:34,940
in that but those guys doing all that

2179
01:38:42,820 --> 01:38:38,390
they were just being used to make the

2180
01:38:45,340 --> 01:38:42,830
bigger event happen they were just

2181
01:38:47,380 --> 01:38:45,350
facilitating for the lure right which

2182
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:47,390
was Farrell says was a almost like

2183
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:51,250
Nichole ritual yeah yeah 9/11 was a

2184
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:55,910
ritual of human sacrifice on just a

2185
01:38:59,740 --> 01:38:58,130
massive scale that's exactly what it was

2186
01:39:03,130 --> 01:38:59,750
I've written about that on my blog

2187
01:39:05,950 --> 01:39:03,140
Empire of the wheel dot blog spot.com a

2188
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:05,960
couple of years ago and I write about it

2189
01:39:10,990 --> 01:39:09,110
I include that info in origin and I

2190
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:11,000
highly recommend Joseph's book hidden

2191
01:39:15,310 --> 01:39:12,770
finance road networks and secret sorcery

2192
01:39:16,900 --> 01:39:15,320
the fascist International 9/11 and

2193
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:16,910
penetrated operations that's Joseph

2194
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:19,010
Farrell's most recent book there's a lot

2195
01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:20,570
of stuff in there you know I've had the

2196
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:23,030
good fortune over the last few years he

2197
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:24,320
and I have had many late-night

2198
01:39:31,180 --> 01:39:27,650
conversations burning the midnight oil

2199
01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:31,190
including one in Laughlin I think or do

2200
01:39:37,090 --> 01:39:34,520
you meet Greg and Joseph where stuff

2201
01:39:39,370 --> 01:39:37,100
yeah you know talking about this and I

2202
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:39,380
was so glad to see you know his book on

2203
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:41,450
it finally come out but yes absolutely

2204
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:45,650
I'm been convinced that 9/11 was a black

2205
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:49,010
magic siop and they used an advanced

2206
01:39:53,140 --> 01:39:50,690
technology to bring those towers down it

2207
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:53,150
was not you know Bush and Cheney did not

2208
01:39:59,770 --> 01:39:56,810
bring those towers down I mean yeah and

2209
01:40:03,580 --> 01:39:59,780
it wasn't guys who you know construction

2210
01:40:05,410 --> 01:40:03,590
demolition technology that did that to

2211
01:40:07,210 --> 01:40:05,420
those towers they were they were

2212
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:07,220
disintegrated that were pulverized dust

2213
01:40:14,140 --> 01:40:12,050
affine Joseph and also Joseph Farah

2214
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:14,150
let's talk about this also the book by

2215
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:17,090
Judy wood where the towers gone is it's

2216
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:18,770
just so essential for people interested

2217
01:40:26,230 --> 01:40:23,570
in this to take a look at you know it's

2218
01:40:29,410 --> 01:40:26,240
it's there but admittedly it's one of

2219
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:29,420
those things that is so big and so

2220
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:32,780
bizarre that I totally understand when

2221
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:35,330
people just reject it when they just

2222
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:37,850
spit it out of their mouth and and it

2223
01:40:43,810 --> 01:40:40,370
they understand when it the that concept

2224
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:43,820
pisses some people off I I totally get

2225
01:40:48,430 --> 01:40:46,820
it because it is something that it can

2226
01:40:50,770 --> 01:40:48,440
really scare the hell out of people on a

2227
01:40:53,020 --> 01:40:50,780
level that you know they think there's

2228
01:40:56,770 --> 01:40:53,030
no hope and all that stuff it's beyond

2229
01:40:58,900 --> 01:40:56,780
the pale now yes ask you here then if

2230
01:41:01,150 --> 01:40:58,910
this is what happened with 9/11 does

2231
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:01,160
that mean that Bush and Cheney were

2232
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:04,070
influenced by these other forces or just

2233
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:06,410
took advantage of the civilization to

2234
01:41:16,930 --> 01:41:13,330
attack Afghanistan and Iraq both yeah

2235
01:41:18,490 --> 01:41:16,940
Wow that's you know I don't go too deep

2236
01:41:21,010 --> 01:41:18,500
into the weeds on the whole Bush and

2237
01:41:23,530 --> 01:41:21,020
Cheney thing they don't they they didn't

2238
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:23,540
they don't scare me I never really lost

2239
01:41:30,010 --> 01:41:26,330
sleep over those two Dick Cheney

2240
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:30,020
frightens the hell out of me you know it

2241
01:41:34,510 --> 01:41:32,930
is exactly you know what it is these are

2242
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:34,520
people that are you know they're they're

2243
01:41:38,770 --> 01:41:37,310
on that level of political power and we

2244
01:41:40,959 --> 01:41:38,780
all know that you know in general

2245
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:40,969
particularly in our times the

2246
01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:44,090
50 or 60 years you know you you've got

2247
01:41:47,950 --> 01:41:46,190
to and this is by no means new you know

2248
01:41:50,830 --> 01:41:47,960
not like it didn't go on before then but

2249
01:41:53,070 --> 01:41:50,840
particularly in our times you know they

2250
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:53,080
have to offer us ultimate power

2251
01:41:59,680 --> 01:41:55,730
absolutely they have to swim in dirty

2252
01:42:04,420 --> 01:41:59,690
waters and you know whatever I you know

2253
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:04,430
I think I was in Iraq and and during the

2254
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:07,370
war and you know it dawned on me then

2255
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:08,810
when I'm standing at the top of the

2256
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:10,730
ziggurat of ur the reconstructed

2257
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:14,030
cigarette of ur that I realized wait a

2258
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:15,670
minute

2259
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:18,830
isn't it interesting that ever all the

2260
01:42:22,750 --> 01:42:20,570
places where we've had major battles and

2261
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:22,760
stuff like that it seems like is where

2262
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:25,760
you know these these interesting these

2263
01:42:31,090 --> 01:42:29,090
these lost civilizations stories and you

2264
01:42:33,130 --> 01:42:31,100
know wonders of the war that kind of

2265
01:42:35,470 --> 01:42:33,140
thing gosh are they are they actually

2266
01:42:38,740 --> 01:42:35,480
trying to you know recapture stuff like

2267
01:42:41,729 --> 01:42:38,750
that and you know we all know we went

2268
01:42:46,959 --> 01:42:41,739
into Iraq to find the stargates and

2269
01:42:52,270 --> 01:42:46,969
inappropriate them for the next sci-fi

2270
01:42:55,500 --> 01:42:52,280
series show and to also you know you

2271
01:42:59,560 --> 01:42:55,510
know maybe establish roots for that

2272
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:59,570
military industrial economy you know to

2273
01:43:04,689 --> 01:43:02,480
boot on top of what you're saying yeah

2274
01:43:07,300 --> 01:43:04,699
absolutely you gotta sell bullets we

2275
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:07,310
gotta sell bombs I think lots of money

2276
01:43:11,740 --> 01:43:09,980
get a guy paid thirty thousand dollars

2277
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,750
to fire a half million dollar weapon and

2278
01:43:16,030 --> 01:43:13,280
a guy that makes five bucks a week I

2279
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:16,040
just love the irony now let me ask you

2280
01:43:21,670 --> 01:43:18,410
here since that's where it all began

2281
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:21,680
with the Iraq war the Islamic state the

2282
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:23,690
rise of the Islamic state which I think

2283
01:43:31,810 --> 01:43:26,810
some traced back to 2004 with a split

2284
01:43:34,209 --> 01:43:31,820
off from al Qaeda is that just things

2285
01:43:36,729 --> 01:43:34,219
taking their course or are there

2286
01:43:37,689 --> 01:43:36,739
influences from these all-around

2287
01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:37,699
civilizations

2288
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:40,670
oh this did not actually more the

2289
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:43,130
particular breakaway civilizations to be

2290
01:43:50,620 --> 01:43:46,250
specific the the Iraq war is not where

2291
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:50,630
you know Isis began and and Afghanistan

2292
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:53,010
is not really

2293
01:43:58,860 --> 01:43:55,690
the the the beginning of the tradition

2294
01:44:00,750 --> 01:43:58,870
of al-qaeda and such this again this

2295
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,760
again has been in the details have been

2296
01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:02,800
laid out by Joseph Farrow and I know

2297
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:04,420
some people hate when I refer to his

2298
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:09,040
stuff you know too bad this ties to the

2299
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:11,650
Nazis then not just the the proposed

2300
01:44:17,670 --> 01:44:14,050
Nazi international to the actual World

2301
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:17,680
War two known Nazis they are the ones

2302
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:21,280
who really Otto Skorzeny was among this

2303
01:44:27,780 --> 01:44:25,210
who really pushed the modern concept of

2304
01:44:29,730 --> 01:44:27,790
jihad he can say in the forties world

2305
01:44:33,020 --> 01:44:29,740
war two yeah we can thank the World War

2306
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:33,030
2 era Nazis for this modern jihad

2307
01:44:39,570 --> 01:44:35,170
philosophy of jihad that we have been

2308
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:39,580
dealing with and you know it's not that

2309
01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:41,050
it started with the Iraq war

2310
01:44:48,030 --> 01:44:45,460
it started with 9/11 9/11 was the sort

2311
01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:48,040
of the blackmail operation on top of it

2312
01:44:53,610 --> 01:44:49,750
you know the magic thing it was you will

2313
01:44:55,890 --> 01:44:53,620
do this and this from now on and you

2314
01:44:57,690 --> 01:44:55,900
know from there the the world has just

2315
01:45:02,490 --> 01:44:57,700
been nothing but it you know a lot of

2316
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:02,500
you know mostly a craphole for the last

2317
01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:05,590
16 years so I find it interesting that

2318
01:45:11,850 --> 01:45:08,260
the Defense Department's radical group

2319
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:11,860
is being armed by by us to fight another

2320
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,370
armed group that's that's been under the

2321
01:45:19,620 --> 01:45:17,040
control of the intelligence agencies and

2322
01:45:22,170 --> 01:45:19,630
the only winners in this whole thing or

2323
01:45:24,900 --> 01:45:22,180
the the weapons manufacturers and the

2324
01:45:28,410 --> 01:45:24,910
ammunition companies just just like

2325
01:45:30,570 --> 01:45:28,420
Eisenhower said right let's do our break

2326
01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:30,580
and we'll get more into that with Gene

2327
01:45:40,190 --> 01:45:32,860
and Chris and Walter Bosley you're in

2328
01:45:47,739 --> 01:45:44,089
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[Music]

2389
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:00,370
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2390
01:48:12,850 --> 01:48:04,690
standard of paranormal radio and now

2391
01:48:15,879 --> 01:48:12,860
here's Jane Steinberg military

2392
01:48:18,729 --> 01:48:15,889
conspiracies but you bring back a very

2393
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,739
interesting subject here eisenhower and

2394
01:48:22,990 --> 01:48:20,480
you think this guy would be part of the

2395
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:23,000
military-industrial complex because he

2396
01:48:29,950 --> 01:48:27,050
was a general so his career is over he's

2397
01:48:32,140 --> 01:48:29,960
finishing his presidency he's warning

2398
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:32,150
against the rise of the

2399
01:48:38,979 --> 01:48:35,170
military-industrial complex yes indeed

2400
01:48:40,930 --> 01:48:38,989
why did he do that did he fear there

2401
01:48:43,629 --> 01:48:40,940
would be repercussions or they feel at

2402
01:48:45,459 --> 01:48:43,639
this point look I've done my work I'm an

2403
01:48:47,530 --> 01:48:45,469
old man they can't do anything I'm just

2404
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:47,540
going to tell the story yeah on the

2405
01:48:52,780 --> 01:48:49,489
personal level I think he felt that he

2406
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:52,790
was in the the last phase of his life so

2407
01:48:57,220 --> 01:48:55,489
really what could they do to him you

2408
01:49:00,189 --> 01:48:57,230
know remember he was a good army officer

2409
01:49:02,649 --> 01:49:00,199
and a military officer you know you you

2410
01:49:05,140 --> 01:49:02,659
weigh the risks and he determined that

2411
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:05,150
the risk was that what he was trying to

2412
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:08,449
achieve by saying what he said was worth

2413
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,199
the risk

2414
01:49:12,669 --> 01:49:11,119
for the good that he hoped it would do

2415
01:49:14,589 --> 01:49:12,679
you know he was trying to plant a seed

2416
01:49:18,220 --> 01:49:14,599
in the public's mind and awaken them to

2417
01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:18,230
this this thing that he saw growing that

2418
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:21,710
he feared rightly so would get its

2419
01:49:29,050 --> 01:49:26,090
tendrils and a grip a good grip on our

2420
01:49:32,260 --> 01:49:29,060
political machine on our government and

2421
01:49:35,050 --> 01:49:32,270
push us in directions that would you

2422
01:49:38,020 --> 01:49:35,060
know be bad for us he saw that you know

2423
01:49:39,580 --> 01:49:38,030
I think Kennedy of course saw it too you

2424
01:49:42,580 --> 01:49:39,590
know Kennedy didn't want to get so

2425
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:42,590
deeply involved in Vietnam well the

2426
01:49:47,379 --> 01:49:44,570
military-industrial complex profited

2427
01:49:49,689 --> 01:49:47,389
greatly from Vietnam they sign the Bell

2428
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:49,699
Helicopter deal I think the day after

2429
01:49:55,089 --> 01:49:51,679
two days after he was assassinated yeah

2430
01:49:57,939 --> 01:49:55,099
yeah LBJ the obvious beneficiary of that

2431
01:49:59,890 --> 01:49:57,949
assassination and I'll say the the

2432
01:50:02,290 --> 01:49:59,900
witting beneficiary of that

2433
01:50:05,410 --> 01:50:02,300
assassination yeah he did a bunch of

2434
01:50:06,850 --> 01:50:05,420
stuff before the kennedy hadn't been in

2435
01:50:08,620 --> 01:50:06,860
the the ground very long

2436
01:50:10,810 --> 01:50:08,630
and no beach it was doing this one thing

2437
01:50:14,109 --> 01:50:10,820
about Eisenhower I think he could have

2438
01:50:17,410 --> 01:50:14,119
gone even further with his admonishments

2439
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:17,420
and cautionary statements it's not like

2440
01:50:21,340 --> 01:50:19,130
you're gonna take away the pension of an

2441
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:21,350
ex-president who was also a five-star

2442
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:24,650
general well remember this this would

2443
01:50:31,450 --> 01:50:28,159
have been the the early days of their

2444
01:50:34,030 --> 01:50:31,460
influence you know on that shadowy level

2445
01:50:36,459 --> 01:50:34,040
and who knows why he didn't go further

2446
01:50:39,010 --> 01:50:36,469
maybe that was all he knew maybe would

2447
01:50:41,260 --> 01:50:39,020
the extent to which he saw it was what

2448
01:50:45,250 --> 01:50:41,270
he shared you know it was a suspicion at

2449
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:45,260
the time or maybe he was still afraid of

2450
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,449
what they might do to him but then think

2451
01:50:51,629 --> 01:50:49,520
about this maybe he was afraid of what

2452
01:50:55,359 --> 01:50:51,639
they would do to his family and others

2453
01:50:57,070 --> 01:50:55,369
Laura no Laura Eisenhower will make her

2454
01:51:00,340 --> 01:50:57,080
into a Crone or not and send her to Mars

2455
01:51:04,899 --> 01:51:00,350
with Barack Obama wait that didn't

2456
01:51:06,430 --> 01:51:04,909
happen well she says the Andrew basashi

2457
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,440
oh and they were trained by Ed Ames

2458
01:51:10,930 --> 01:51:09,440
don't forget we went on coast-to-coast

2459
01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:10,940
and said I don't know who these people

2460
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:18,670
are don't but I guess oh well

2461
01:51:26,859 --> 01:51:21,290
grumpy chris is trying to be funny Chris

2462
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:26,869
now well I don't know it all it's all

2463
01:51:29,590 --> 01:51:28,130
very intriguing and I think there's a

2464
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:29,600
lot of people with their heads in the

2465
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:31,280
sand and the deeper the heads go the

2466
01:51:38,169 --> 01:51:32,810
more of a chance they have to break into

2467
01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:38,179
an antediluvian tunnel system yeah

2468
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,060
when one would think so one would think

2469
01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:43,520
so I you know I I would love to like I

2470
01:51:48,459 --> 01:51:46,070
said I'm really intrigued this is why

2471
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,469
I'm you know I finally decided I've got

2472
01:51:53,020 --> 01:51:50,719
to address this I you know I wrote the

2473
01:51:56,109 --> 01:51:53,030
article that was published in fate

2474
01:51:57,700 --> 01:51:56,119
magazine under my then pseudonym because

2475
01:52:00,160 --> 01:51:57,710
my employment at the time was sensitive

2476
01:52:02,859 --> 01:52:00,170
so I wasn't writing anything with my

2477
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:02,869
real name on it and I did this I had

2478
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,610
done some fiction and I released the

2479
01:52:11,050 --> 01:52:07,040
article under my fiction pseudonym and

2480
01:52:12,970 --> 01:52:11,060
it was published in fate magazine and it

2481
01:52:15,790 --> 01:52:12,980
was selected for their best of Roswell

2482
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:15,800
volume and so it's been out there I've

2483
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:17,210
talked about it over the years I've

2484
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:19,730
alluded to it in a couple of my books

2485
01:52:26,350 --> 01:52:22,930
I decided you know what I really have to

2486
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:26,360
dig into this and you know address the

2487
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:28,610
details of it and really state where I

2488
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:31,130
stand on this issue of you know my dad's

2489
01:52:38,140 --> 01:52:36,110
story you know I people asked me well do

2490
01:52:39,670 --> 01:52:38,150
you know do you agree with his his

2491
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:39,680
version of events and and what he's

2492
01:52:46,330 --> 01:52:42,170
saying and and I have to say that the

2493
01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:46,340
there there is much more evidence for

2494
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:48,260
and here it comes to my critics I'm

2495
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:50,090
giving them you know a heads up here it

2496
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,730
comes the best evidence for what Roswell

2497
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:55,040
might have been we go back to Joseph

2498
01:53:00,820 --> 01:52:57,290
Farrell and his book that continues to

2499
01:53:03,490 --> 01:53:00,830
be ignored and and it is hated by the et

2500
01:53:05,050 --> 01:53:03,500
people they hate it I might add the the

2501
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:05,060
the most vocal critics that I have

2502
01:53:09,670 --> 01:53:07,730
encountered of joseph´s Roswell on the

2503
01:53:11,380 --> 01:53:09,680
right that they admit in the

2504
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:11,390
conversation that they've never read the

2505
01:53:15,700 --> 01:53:13,850
book I don't know how you can trash

2506
01:53:18,700 --> 01:53:15,710
something and just dismiss it without

2507
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:18,710
having read it but really honestly on

2508
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:22,010
this issue of Roswell you know to just

2509
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:24,590
comment on that the the best book the

2510
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:26,210
most thoroughly researched the most

2511
01:53:31,690 --> 01:53:28,970
thoroughly filled out theory on Roswell

2512
01:53:34,330 --> 01:53:31,700
has been Joseph Farrell's theory that it

2513
01:53:36,340 --> 01:53:34,340
was the post war Reich the early days of

2514
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,350
this Nazi international and no other

2515
01:53:40,420 --> 01:53:38,239
roswell book most of the other roswell

2516
01:53:42,910 --> 01:53:40,430
books go on you know witness testimony

2517
01:53:44,740 --> 01:53:42,920
well you guys know all of us know and

2518
01:53:46,990 --> 01:53:44,750
Kevin Randle was talking about it

2519
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:47,000
recently that you know the the Roswell

2520
01:53:52,150 --> 01:53:48,890
witness testimony has turned out to be

2521
01:53:57,540 --> 01:53:52,160
mostly you know unreliable and in some

2522
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:02,410
I'm you know I see the the reich theory

2523
01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:04,730
the post war Reich Nazi international

2524
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:07,910
theory of Roswell to be so far the best

2525
01:54:16,990 --> 01:54:10,400
presented now that would dispute what my

2526
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:17,000
dad's story is or was and so personally

2527
01:54:22,930 --> 01:54:20,510
you know I have to admit I I have to

2528
01:54:24,850 --> 01:54:22,940
acknowledge you know the the the more

2529
01:54:27,130 --> 01:54:24,860
thoroughly presented theory with with

2530
01:54:29,170 --> 01:54:27,140
more evidence tangible evidence you can

2531
01:54:31,390 --> 01:54:29,180
put your fingers on and that my dad's

2532
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:31,400
story is admittedly you know in the

2533
01:54:35,890 --> 01:54:32,320
fantastic

2534
01:54:37,870 --> 01:54:35,900
he certainly believed him

2535
01:54:40,750 --> 01:54:37,880
and and I discussed that in the news

2536
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:40,760
hard to misconstrue a guy standing next

2537
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:43,370
to you being dropped by a like an exotic

2538
01:54:47,500 --> 01:54:45,290
weapon I mean that's that that would

2539
01:54:50,380 --> 01:54:47,510
leave a lasting impression I would think

2540
01:54:52,330 --> 01:54:50,390
yeah oh yeah exactly exactly now and

2541
01:54:55,090 --> 01:54:52,340
remember what I used to do I would

2542
01:54:57,580 --> 01:54:55,100
people know I was an OSI agent and I was

2543
01:54:59,320 --> 01:54:57,590
you know got my training and had

2544
01:55:03,490 --> 01:54:59,330
experience in interview and

2545
01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:03,500
interrogation techniques and among them

2546
01:55:08,710 --> 01:55:06,680
are the tools you're given to better

2547
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:08,720
determine nothing as a hundred percent

2548
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:12,080
now but to better determine if someone

2549
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:14,930
is telling the truth as they believe it

2550
01:55:20,500 --> 01:55:17,330
as they you know if they're telling you

2551
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:20,510
you know in the case of my dad I am

2552
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:24,530
convinced that he was telling me the

2553
01:55:32,050 --> 01:55:29,690
truth as he as it happened for him now

2554
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:32,060
why am I saying that again I go I'm

2555
01:55:37,950 --> 01:55:33,440
going to be going into this in the new

2556
01:55:40,690 --> 01:55:37,960
book it might be that his memory

2557
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:40,700
certainly could have been convoluted by

2558
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:43,730
things put in there like I can tell you

2559
01:55:48,850 --> 01:55:45,920
I know at the time I was in OSI in the

2560
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:48,860
late 90s you know hypnosis was a tool

2561
01:55:58,420 --> 01:55:54,970
that OSI would use in it was what a

2562
01:55:59,950 --> 01:55:58,430
collections interview technique that was

2563
01:56:02,890 --> 01:55:59,960
on the books it was something it was a

2564
01:56:05,260 --> 01:56:02,900
tool that was in the toolbox now you

2565
01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:05,270
know what I think about that in light of

2566
01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:08,500
what we're talking about is ok if

2567
01:56:17,470 --> 01:56:12,430
hypnosis you know if they used hypnosis

2568
01:56:23,170 --> 01:56:17,480
there's what my uncle told me that was

2569
01:56:25,780 --> 01:56:23,180
used on my dad to assist you might say

2570
01:56:32,650 --> 01:56:25,790
in him not talking about certain things

2571
01:56:35,350 --> 01:56:32,660
was hypnosis hypnotic tool okay now how

2572
01:56:37,900 --> 01:56:35,360
easy would it have been for them to

2573
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:37,910
plant some of the more fantastical

2574
01:56:45,790 --> 01:56:41,810
elements of his story into his memory of

2575
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:45,800
it during that hypnosis see so it

2576
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:48,650
might be that to a certain extent what

2577
01:56:53,049 --> 01:56:50,570
he's saying are you know these little

2578
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:53,059
core facts and nuggets and again what

2579
01:56:56,620 --> 01:56:54,770
I've thrown out there I will be going

2580
01:56:58,770 --> 01:56:56,630
deeper into in the book okay I'm not

2581
01:57:01,629 --> 01:56:58,780
just gonna throw that out there and not

2582
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:01,639
extrapolate on it in the book but it

2583
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:03,770
could be that what my dad was telling me

2584
01:57:08,500 --> 01:57:06,650
is action memory of actual events that

2585
01:57:10,649 --> 01:57:08,510
is peppered has been peppered or

2586
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:10,659
seasoned with more fantastical elements

2587
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:14,000
- why would they do that so that you

2588
01:57:18,819 --> 01:57:16,639
know years later when this control

2589
01:57:21,399 --> 01:57:18,829
starts breaking down and he starts

2590
01:57:23,770 --> 01:57:21,409
blabbing about it to his son it seems

2591
01:57:25,390 --> 01:57:23,780
less credible right because of the

2592
01:57:27,839 --> 01:57:25,400
fantastic elements there would be your

2593
01:57:32,620 --> 01:57:27,849
motivation there for putting you know

2594
01:57:34,780 --> 01:57:32,630
such ideas into someone's head hypnotic

2595
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:34,790
suggestion we have a posthypnotic

2596
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:37,520
suggestion for you but you'll forget it

2597
01:57:41,859 --> 01:57:38,770
after these announcements

2598
01:57:49,060 --> 01:57:41,869
Walter Bosley and Gina and Chris you're

2599
01:57:50,589 --> 01:57:49,070
in there two guests first game attack of

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the rock ODEs and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there's the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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forces on our distant planet are

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this is a recording I don't know so

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02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:35,420
after all the talk about these breakaway

2714
02:02:40,030 --> 02:02:37,370
civilizations you've done it Joseph

2715
02:02:42,910 --> 02:02:40,040
Ferrell has done it if you were hitting

2716
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:42,920
close to the mark do you fear that some

2717
02:02:48,670 --> 02:02:45,530
outside force would try to stop you or

2718
02:02:53,050 --> 02:02:48,680
is it just lost in the noise I think

2719
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:53,060
that to a great extent they just let it

2720
02:02:57,190 --> 02:02:55,370
be out there to get lost in the noise

2721
02:03:00,340 --> 02:02:57,200
because they know that most people are

2722
02:03:04,900 --> 02:03:00,350
not gonna take it seriously I think that

2723
02:03:07,510 --> 02:03:04,910
initially if they emerge and you know

2724
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:07,520
approach you or whatever I I don't think

2725
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:11,360
it's a malevolent approach I think it's

2726
02:03:16,530 --> 02:03:13,210
you know

2727
02:03:18,150 --> 02:03:16,540
of a subtle type of contact just to feel

2728
02:03:21,950 --> 02:03:18,160
you out and see where you're really at

2729
02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:21,960
to see how you react to the ambiguity of

2730
02:03:28,140 --> 02:03:24,520
you know someone walking up to you in a

2731
02:03:31,709 --> 02:03:28,150
in a park Sunday morning and having a

2732
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:31,719
very interesting chat relevant to

2733
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:33,850
research you'd been doing does that

2734
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:36,610
happen to you have you had a encounter

2735
02:03:39,660 --> 02:03:38,170
with someone that said maybe you're

2736
02:03:42,510 --> 02:03:39,670
starting to talk about some things that

2737
02:03:44,459 --> 02:03:42,520
you really most people don't have a need

2738
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:44,469
to know or however the terminology would

2739
02:03:51,959 --> 02:03:49,450
be language it it's certainly within the

2740
02:03:55,110 --> 02:03:51,969
realm of possibility that that has or it

2741
02:03:57,180 --> 02:03:55,120
could even be you know someone would you

2742
02:03:59,400 --> 02:03:57,190
know want to introduce you to a friend

2743
02:04:02,850 --> 02:03:59,410
of theirs and that friend is connected

2744
02:04:05,250 --> 02:04:02,860
to you know certain players that are

2745
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:05,260
that are also very interesting and you

2746
02:04:09,209 --> 02:04:06,880
know they let you know that they've been

2747
02:04:11,010 --> 02:04:09,219
that they've been watching you and they

2748
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:11,020
let you know this in an indirect way by

2749
02:04:14,490 --> 02:04:12,850
pretending to talk about a third party

2750
02:04:15,870 --> 02:04:14,500
but it just so happens that third

2751
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:15,880
parties activities that they're talking

2752
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:17,890
about in front of you are you you've

2753
02:04:23,010 --> 02:04:21,040
been doing yeah that's what claims he

2754
02:04:25,950 --> 02:04:23,020
had kind of a just a little run-in

2755
02:04:29,130 --> 02:04:25,960
during the dark skies television show

2756
02:04:31,650 --> 02:04:29,140
that he was producing back in the 90s he

2757
02:04:34,770 --> 02:04:31,660
said he had a very disconcerting a

2758
02:04:36,270 --> 02:04:34,780
couple of encounters such as you

2759
02:04:37,650 --> 02:04:36,280
described but it didn't so it really

2760
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:37,660
hasn't happened to you but you don't

2761
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:40,000
dismiss the possibility that it could I

2762
02:04:47,550 --> 02:04:42,310
tell you what I prefer not to comment on

2763
02:04:50,370 --> 02:04:47,560
that because yeah I I think I think you

2764
02:04:54,150 --> 02:04:50,380
know and ill wind blows no man good I

2765
02:04:58,640 --> 02:04:54,160
don't you know what here's my thing my

2766
02:05:03,030 --> 02:04:58,650
my policy has been for a few years now

2767
02:05:07,709 --> 02:05:03,040
to just not talk about certain things

2768
02:05:12,630 --> 02:05:07,719
you know in a public forum and it has it

2769
02:05:15,959 --> 02:05:12,640
has served me well and I keep on I keep

2770
02:05:18,060 --> 02:05:15,969
on doing that I what I can and I'm

2771
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:18,070
willing to talk about I put into the

2772
02:05:23,130 --> 02:05:20,410
books so if I start asking you questions

2773
02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:23,140
about psychotronic weapons platforms

2774
02:05:29,489 --> 02:05:25,209
behavior modification and

2775
02:05:31,319 --> 02:05:29,499
societal manipulation technology we

2776
02:05:33,870 --> 02:05:31,329
probably wouldn't have too long of a

2777
02:05:38,189 --> 02:05:33,880
conversation probably because I don't

2778
02:05:42,419 --> 02:05:38,199
know any more about that than you do you

2779
02:05:43,919 --> 02:05:42,429
know but as as far as you know here's

2780
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:43,929
the thing about personal experiences

2781
02:05:48,209 --> 02:05:45,760
okay when you're a researcher you know

2782
02:05:50,089 --> 02:05:48,219
this well Chris okay you dig into

2783
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:50,099
something deep enough and long enough

2784
02:05:56,910 --> 02:05:52,510
interesting players and characters are

2785
02:06:00,750 --> 02:05:56,920
going to emerge and you I think you also

2786
02:06:04,290 --> 02:06:00,760
know that certain things the less you

2787
02:06:06,509 --> 02:06:04,300
are open about them the more you get you

2788
02:06:07,770 --> 02:06:06,519
know and the only time I ran into

2789
02:06:15,569 --> 02:06:07,780
problems is when I was dealing with

2790
02:06:17,699 --> 02:06:15,579
underground facilities like this you

2791
02:06:19,589 --> 02:06:17,709
know you can go back to the Danny

2792
02:06:22,679 --> 02:06:19,599
casolaro story and the octopus and what

2793
02:06:24,270 --> 02:06:22,689
happened with him and and you know these

2794
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,280
people that these bad things happen to

2795
02:06:27,989 --> 02:06:26,800
they were given warnings you know it

2796
02:06:29,850 --> 02:06:27,999
wasn't like they were just going along

2797
02:06:32,009 --> 02:06:29,860
investigating and writing and then all

2798
02:06:35,009 --> 02:06:32,019
of a sudden their suicided they warned

2799
02:06:37,649 --> 02:06:35,019
you they they tell you to shut up about

2800
02:06:39,989 --> 02:06:37,659
certain things before like the guy that

2801
02:06:42,899 --> 02:06:39,999
wrote unfortunate son or Gary Webb from

2802
02:06:45,689 --> 02:06:42,909
the Sun Mercury times or yeah I mean we

2803
02:06:47,429 --> 02:06:45,699
get out a whole list of yeah you know

2804
02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:47,439
and here's the thing I haven't had

2805
02:06:52,140 --> 02:06:49,150
anybody walk up to me and tell me

2806
02:06:53,429 --> 02:06:52,150
knock it off shut up believe me if

2807
02:06:55,140 --> 02:06:53,439
someone comes up to me and says hey

2808
02:06:57,600 --> 02:06:55,150
we're gonna you know kill your son or

2809
02:06:59,219 --> 02:06:57,610
your mom or you you know it's like hey

2810
02:07:03,000 --> 02:06:59,229
you know I think I'll start writing that

2811
02:07:04,919 --> 02:07:03,010
next pulp novel you know it's I'm not

2812
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:04,929
stupid I don't want to go you know I

2813
02:07:09,569 --> 02:07:06,880
don't want to be suicided you know

2814
02:07:13,500 --> 02:07:09,579
because I'm stubborn now the thing is to

2815
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:13,510
if they did do something to you that

2816
02:07:17,089 --> 02:07:15,760
would only confirm a lot of what you

2817
02:07:20,429 --> 02:07:17,099
said was true

2818
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:20,439
just leave you alone exactly exactly

2819
02:07:25,890 --> 02:07:23,679
exactly it is easier I think you know

2820
02:07:27,569 --> 02:07:25,900
over time these guys you know I say

2821
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:27,579
these guys have quotes around it you

2822
02:07:33,419 --> 02:07:29,679
know they've learned that with certain

2823
02:07:35,459 --> 02:07:33,429
things in this realm with these certain

2824
02:07:37,259 --> 02:07:35,469
things that yeah just leave them alone

2825
02:07:39,060 --> 02:07:37,269
because who's going to believe it you

2826
02:07:42,060 --> 02:07:39,070
know they're worried about a critical

2827
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:42,070
mass of the population figuring

2828
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:44,050
something out or learning something or

2829
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:45,130
believing something that's what they're

2830
02:07:48,859 --> 02:07:46,570
worried about and yes there's a critical

2831
02:07:51,240 --> 02:07:48,869
mass they they just you know whatever

2832
02:07:52,919 --> 02:07:51,250
80% of the American population doesn't

2833
02:07:55,530 --> 02:07:52,929
even know that a third building fell on

2834
02:07:58,109 --> 02:07:55,540
9/11 just to give you a I don't think

2835
02:08:00,359 --> 02:07:58,119
critical mass is really I think there's

2836
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:00,369
an T critical mass and people get so

2837
02:08:03,810 --> 02:08:02,290
dumb that they actually are you know

2838
02:08:10,979 --> 02:08:03,820
they go full circle and they become

2839
02:08:13,530 --> 02:08:10,989
smart you know what I do is I just look

2840
02:08:16,500 --> 02:08:13,540
into stuff that interests me I pull

2841
02:08:20,430 --> 02:08:16,510
threads and the parts that end up in

2842
02:08:24,060 --> 02:08:20,440
books are the parts that I feel that I

2843
02:08:25,470 --> 02:08:24,070
can or should put in the books yeah they

2844
02:08:28,439 --> 02:08:25,480
also might have some evidence to back

2845
02:08:30,180 --> 02:08:28,449
them up to hopefully well see there you

2846
02:08:34,470 --> 02:08:30,190
go the the stuff that goes into the

2847
02:08:37,100 --> 02:08:34,480
books I I try to present either you know

2848
02:08:41,370 --> 02:08:37,110
the direct or hard evidence or at least

2849
02:08:44,370 --> 02:08:41,380
when I'm speculating I try to provide

2850
02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:44,380
why I'm speculating this and and I'd

2851
02:08:48,689 --> 02:08:46,300
like to say occasionally I get the

2852
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:48,699
knucklehead who you know I can't buy you

2853
02:08:53,129 --> 02:08:50,530
know Bosley there's too much conjecture

2854
02:08:55,140 --> 02:08:53,139
yeah he speculates you know as if they

2855
02:08:58,500 --> 02:08:55,150
didn't know that I'm speculating when if

2856
02:09:01,740 --> 02:08:58,510
you've read my books I have increasingly

2857
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:01,750
just made it very clear like I'm hitting

2858
02:09:05,310 --> 02:09:02,800
the reader over the head with a club

2859
02:09:06,450 --> 02:09:05,320
that the following is speculation you

2860
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:06,460
know anybody who would read my

2861
02:09:09,569 --> 02:09:08,079
speculations and claimed not to have

2862
02:09:11,700 --> 02:09:09,579
known that they were going into

2863
02:09:13,200 --> 02:09:11,710
speculation they're just playing their

2864
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:13,210
own game they're you know or they're

2865
02:09:16,770 --> 02:09:15,010
ignorant they're not really reading the

2866
02:09:18,419 --> 02:09:16,780
books but yeah you know and I'm glad you

2867
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:18,429
brought that up about you know you hope

2868
02:09:21,839 --> 02:09:19,810
there's there's evidence behind it

2869
02:09:24,990 --> 02:09:21,849
that's the thing what what I put in the

2870
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:25,000
books are again the things that that I

2871
02:09:32,430 --> 02:09:29,280
hope that the evidence I presented

2872
02:09:34,439 --> 02:09:32,440
justifies you know putting it out there

2873
02:09:38,430 --> 02:09:34,449
for public consumption

2874
02:09:40,050 --> 02:09:38,440
you know speculation is expected in this

2875
02:09:42,530 --> 02:09:40,060
room I mean there's no way to get around

2876
02:09:45,450 --> 02:09:42,540
it anybody who would you know come on

2877
02:09:47,879 --> 02:09:45,460
I'm not fooling myself anybody who would

2878
02:09:49,410 --> 02:09:47,889
pick up my book origin you know 20th

2879
02:09:51,479 --> 02:09:49,420
century breakaway civilizations with a

2880
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:51,489
Dell Chou arrow and a flying saucer

2881
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:52,210
image on the

2882
02:09:58,140 --> 02:09:54,250
front you know anybody that would you

2883
02:09:59,610 --> 02:09:58,150
know come on they and not expect that

2884
02:10:01,680 --> 02:09:59,620
they're gonna you know see some

2885
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:01,690
speculation yeah you know that's just

2886
02:10:07,860 --> 02:10:05,890
one of these you know millennial skeptic

2887
02:10:09,810 --> 02:10:07,870
drum club little weenies who you know

2888
02:10:12,180 --> 02:10:09,820
they're angry at dad for whatever reason

2889
02:10:13,709 --> 02:10:12,190
and you know and they've got a they've

2890
02:10:17,340 --> 02:10:13,719
got a grind an axe on somebody's head

2891
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:17,350
but it's box broke yeah their xbox broke

2892
02:10:21,780 --> 02:10:19,210
and it's like I don't even know why they

2893
02:10:24,630 --> 02:10:21,790
I don't even know why they swim in these

2894
02:10:27,180 --> 02:10:24,640
waters we're gonna sink if we don't swim

2895
02:10:31,020 --> 02:10:27,190
yeah we have a couple more segments left

2896
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:31,030
with Walter Bosley and grumpy Chris and

2897
02:10:43,700 --> 02:10:40,930
Jean you're in the para cast thank you

2898
02:10:48,290 --> 02:10:43,710
for listening to GCN

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02:10:49,670 --> 02:10:48,300
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[Music]

3010
02:15:47,219 --> 02:16:09,129
855-361-2944 or

3011
02:16:15,070 --> 02:16:12,010
and the et hypothesis you know here's

3012
02:16:17,890 --> 02:16:15,080
the thing I totally accept you know that

3013
02:16:19,330 --> 02:16:17,900
there are ETS out there or duh you know

3014
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:19,340
look at what I've written listen to

3015
02:16:25,209 --> 02:16:22,000
things I've said but I think that

3016
02:16:27,550 --> 02:16:25,219
ufology with this one note song that it

3017
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:27,560
must be the et hypothesis or nothing

3018
02:16:32,860 --> 02:16:29,810
else it's heard itself and it's hurt the

3019
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:32,870
field it's time for you follow G to step

3020
02:16:36,820 --> 02:16:35,210
away from that if not you know a hundred

3021
02:16:38,799 --> 02:16:36,830
percent which it shouldn't step away

3022
02:16:40,540 --> 02:16:38,809
probably a hundred percent but it needs

3023
02:16:42,429 --> 02:16:40,550
to start you know looking in some other

3024
02:16:43,690 --> 02:16:42,439
directions you know here's the thing

3025
02:16:46,810 --> 02:16:43,700
the value of looking in other directions

3026
02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:46,820
going outside your box is that you could

3027
02:16:51,190 --> 02:16:48,889
very well find the evidence out there

3028
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:51,200
that supports the theory in your box

3029
02:16:57,250 --> 02:16:54,010
this is what they're childishly and

3030
02:16:59,770 --> 02:16:57,260
stubbornly refusing to do what they

3031
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,780
don't realize is that I learned this as

3032
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:01,519
a criminal investigator you know think

3033
02:17:04,839 --> 02:17:03,200
outside the box go outside the box and

3034
02:17:06,790 --> 02:17:04,849
what do you know sometimes you find the

3035
02:17:09,639 --> 02:17:06,800
very evidence that fits what's in the

3036
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:09,649
box you one is reminded of the Calvin

3037
02:17:14,530 --> 02:17:12,170
and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin is

3038
02:17:16,089 --> 02:17:14,540
saying the the sure sign that there's

3039
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:16,099
intelligent life elsewhere in the

3040
02:17:28,690 --> 02:17:17,840
universe is that none of us come here to

3041
02:17:31,089 --> 02:17:28,700
visit us Fermi's paradox in Reverse

3042
02:17:33,820 --> 02:17:31,099
thank God I'm not sure you know that

3043
02:17:37,690 --> 02:17:33,830
said that said you know this is why the

3044
02:17:39,490 --> 02:17:37,700
this recent talk you guys had with Kevin

3045
02:17:42,339 --> 02:17:39,500
Randall he was on recently right with

3046
02:17:44,020 --> 02:17:42,349
you guys yeah yeah I'm not getting my

3047
02:17:46,089 --> 02:17:44,030
shows mixed up yeah that's right cuz I

3048
02:17:48,490 --> 02:17:46,099
commented in the forum I found you know

3049
02:17:50,500 --> 02:17:48,500
some people were jaded because oh he's

3050
02:17:52,270 --> 02:17:50,510
you know he's turned his back on the et

3051
02:17:53,950 --> 02:17:52,280
thing blah blah throws well personally I

3052
02:17:56,379 --> 02:17:53,960
found it refreshing that there was

3053
02:17:58,299 --> 02:17:56,389
Randall saying hey you know what the CT

3054
02:18:01,179 --> 02:17:58,309
thing might not be the answer to Roswell

3055
02:18:03,940 --> 02:18:01,189
you know or the all the lore and the

3056
02:18:06,820 --> 02:18:03,950
what's the word for it the dogma that

3057
02:18:09,730 --> 02:18:06,830
we've had of Roswell to eat as the ne T

3058
02:18:12,339 --> 02:18:09,740
incident you know maybe that's been a

3059
02:18:13,719 --> 02:18:12,349
false religion Joseph Ferrell really hit

3060
02:18:15,310 --> 02:18:13,729
the nail on the head the reason why they

3061
02:18:17,620 --> 02:18:15,320
freaked out so much is because it was

3062
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:17,630
terrestrial technology and there came

3063
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:20,960
from exactly exactly and you know there

3064
02:18:25,541 --> 02:18:22,610
you go it I I don't see

3065
02:18:27,970 --> 02:18:25,551
how anybody interested in Roswell can

3066
02:18:31,150 --> 02:18:27,980
look read Joseph's book Roswell on the

3067
02:18:34,630 --> 02:18:31,160
Reich and just dismiss it all that is is

3068
02:18:36,791 --> 02:18:34,640
childish you know stubborn insistence on

3069
02:18:40,120 --> 02:18:36,801
you watch or Santa Claus story to be

3070
02:18:42,700 --> 02:18:40,130
true just believe once you start shaking

3071
02:18:45,340 --> 02:18:42,710
the doctrine and shaking the doctrine

3072
02:18:47,770 --> 02:18:45,350
tree people tend to their eyes glazed

3073
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:47,780
over and their knees are getting sore

3074
02:18:52,600 --> 02:18:50,450
from genuflecting and then they you know

3075
02:18:54,670 --> 02:18:52,610
they throw out you know their Scripture

3076
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:54,680
of what about this what about that well

3077
02:18:58,090 --> 02:18:56,210
most of the this and that that they

3078
02:19:01,660 --> 02:18:58,100
point to has either already been

3079
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:01,670
discredited as crap or it's stuff that's

3080
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:03,410
so far out into the weeds that it

3081
02:19:07,570 --> 02:19:05,690
doesn't serve as you know evidence to

3082
02:19:10,390 --> 02:19:07,580
support you know the theory it's I hate

3083
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:10,400
to say it but you know it's as far as

3084
02:19:15,250 --> 02:19:12,650
ufology is concerned the ET hypothesis

3085
02:19:18,400 --> 02:19:15,260
it's kind of like you know a Star Trek

3086
02:19:21,850 --> 02:19:18,410
TV series you know it just it needs to

3087
02:19:24,041 --> 02:19:21,860
go away for a while you know and then

3088
02:19:26,980 --> 02:19:24,051
you know come back fresh well the et

3089
02:19:29,440 --> 02:19:26,990
hypothesis in ufology kind of needs to

3090
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:29,450
not be the center of attention

3091
02:19:34,690 --> 02:19:31,850
not be the forefront it needs to not be

3092
02:19:36,581 --> 02:19:34,700
the measure of you know whether you know

3093
02:19:38,740 --> 02:19:36,591
that those circles are going to accept

3094
02:19:41,230 --> 02:19:38,750
you or not it needs to just be pushed

3095
02:19:45,010 --> 02:19:41,240
aside for the time being and other

3096
02:19:46,570 --> 02:19:45,020
things looked at and considered but you

3097
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:46,580
know there's some people that are gonna

3098
02:19:52,450 --> 02:19:50,000
kick and scream and write me the emails

3099
02:19:54,551 --> 02:19:52,460
saying how do you talk to ET hypotheses

3100
02:19:57,011 --> 02:19:54,561
you don't realize your disenfranchising

3101
02:20:02,410 --> 02:19:57,021
yourself from a huge potential audience

3102
02:20:04,270 --> 02:20:02,420
out there and it's like gives a damn you

3103
02:20:06,791 --> 02:20:04,280
know because there's a there's just as

3104
02:20:08,910 --> 02:20:06,801
big an audience out there that will be

3105
02:20:12,220 --> 02:20:08,920
interested in in some of these other

3106
02:20:16,001 --> 02:20:12,230
possibilities so you know this this

3107
02:20:17,860 --> 02:20:16,011
nonsense at the the ET hypothesis crowd

3108
02:20:21,841 --> 02:20:17,870
you know that they're the the

3109
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:21,851
congregation and you know you'll be

3110
02:20:28,060 --> 02:20:25,370
whatever on the right right to the altar

3111
02:20:30,820 --> 02:20:28,070
this weekend I'm gonna go out to

3112
02:20:38,060 --> 02:20:30,830
conflict in the desert and do Fear and

3113
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:41,220
beautiful that's only like an hour away

3114
02:20:44,131 --> 02:20:42,250
from me either

3115
02:20:46,530 --> 02:20:44,141
you should come out won't you come out

3116
02:20:49,381 --> 02:20:46,540
man we'll hang I should go and crash it

3117
02:20:51,331 --> 02:20:49,391
yeah we'll have fun we'll go around and

3118
02:20:54,180 --> 02:20:51,341
interview people and film everybody in

3119
02:20:56,430 --> 02:20:54,190
their alien costumes and the oldest

3120
02:20:59,581 --> 02:20:56,440
parties is that this weekend

3121
02:21:06,091 --> 02:20:59,591
yep no I understand here if you actually

3122
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:06,101
pay to go it's like $250 oh go in and

3123
02:21:10,530 --> 02:21:08,410
win listen to David Wilcock talk about

3124
02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:10,540
the current space war going on above our

3125
02:21:16,470 --> 02:21:13,450
heads right now or pay two dollars and

3126
02:21:21,921 --> 02:21:16,480
fifty cents to hear that they'd have to

3127
02:21:25,081 --> 02:21:21,931
pay me you know I be G what if I were I

3128
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:25,091
unfortunately I have a some family stuff

3129
02:21:29,490 --> 02:21:27,490
to do this weekend damn it but I'd be

3130
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:29,500
crawling under the fence is how I I'd be

3131
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:32,490
there like I said crashing it but yeah

3132
02:21:36,660 --> 02:21:35,110
you're a former agent you know how to

3133
02:21:38,490 --> 02:21:36,670
it's not know how to do that right I

3134
02:21:40,831 --> 02:21:38,500
wouldn't have to crawl into the fence I

3135
02:21:44,341 --> 02:21:40,841
used to be pretty good at just calmly

3136
02:21:47,820 --> 02:21:44,351
slipping in through authorized personnel

3137
02:21:50,251 --> 02:21:47,830
areas of the public world pretty easily

3138
02:21:52,261 --> 02:21:50,261
hey I used to backstage at all the

3139
02:21:55,230 --> 02:21:52,271
concerts at the garden because I there

3140
02:21:56,671 --> 02:21:55,240
you go blank blank so you know the

3141
02:21:59,610 --> 02:21:56,681
stokke material that they make the

3142
02:22:02,220 --> 02:21:59,620
backstage passes and a whole whole tray

3143
02:22:04,081 --> 02:22:02,230
of magic markers that I died scrutinized

3144
02:22:11,041 --> 02:22:04,091
the backstage pass and then I do a

3145
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:11,051
reasonable facsimile same skill set you

3146
02:22:16,530 --> 02:22:13,330
know I was just you know backed up by

3147
02:22:21,360 --> 02:22:16,540
the US government that's all right

3148
02:22:23,070 --> 02:22:21,370
sanctioned yeah yeah that's it so well

3149
02:22:25,020 --> 02:22:23,080
you're gonna burn a bunch of tape and

3150
02:22:28,261 --> 02:22:25,030
put together a nice hard-hitting piece

3151
02:22:30,930 --> 02:22:28,271
on the the the folly of whether they

3152
02:22:31,770 --> 02:22:30,940
call it the Woodstock of ufology with

3153
02:22:36,060 --> 02:22:31,780
Jesus

3154
02:22:37,320 --> 02:22:36,070
ufology you fool G oh now there's gonna

3155
02:22:38,970 --> 02:22:37,330
be people that I'm gonna be getting

3156
02:22:41,131 --> 02:22:38,980
those hate mails like you get Chris I

3157
02:22:44,190 --> 02:22:41,141
don't get hate mail they just they

3158
02:22:45,269 --> 02:22:44,200
bitching moan when you're so grumpy or I

3159
02:22:46,769 --> 02:22:45,279
was so down and

3160
02:22:50,819 --> 02:22:46,779
and everybody and it's like well give me

3161
02:22:52,649 --> 02:22:50,829
something to be up about I got a long

3162
02:22:55,739 --> 02:22:52,659
letter from somebody who didn't want to

3163
02:22:59,699 --> 02:22:55,749
join power cast + but may join in any

3164
02:23:02,489 --> 02:22:59,709
way to help us all out but their big

3165
02:23:04,260 --> 02:23:02,499
point is that you were getting grumpier

3166
02:23:06,359 --> 02:23:04,270
and grumpier and it was more and more

3167
02:23:09,269 --> 02:23:06,369
difficult to listen to you and I don't

3168
02:23:11,849 --> 02:23:09,279
think that at all I try to maintain

3169
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:11,859
youth appeal because I am a professional

3170
02:23:16,079 --> 02:23:14,319
announcer I think there's just some

3171
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:16,089
people out there that come on you know

3172
02:23:21,109 --> 02:23:18,850
we're dealing with this we're labor be

3173
02:23:23,550 --> 02:23:21,119
labored with this in our society this

3174
02:23:24,269 --> 02:23:23,560
hypersensitivity you know there's

3175
02:23:29,969 --> 02:23:24,279
namby-pamby

3176
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:29,979
there you know grow grow some grow hide

3177
02:23:38,369 --> 02:23:34,810
you know I don't find Chris to be grumpy

3178
02:23:41,039 --> 02:23:38,379
Chris at all when I've listened well I'm

3179
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:41,049
just I'm a little cynical and jaded but

3180
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:43,930
grumpy I don't know it's just what I

3181
02:23:47,670 --> 02:23:45,850
think grumpy I think of you know some

3182
02:23:49,979 --> 02:23:47,680
old codger sitting there you know trying

3183
02:23:57,809 --> 02:23:49,989
to find his teeth and you know these new

3184
02:24:00,000 --> 02:23:57,819
glasses you know I'm not really grumpy

3185
02:24:03,929 --> 02:24:00,010
I'm just I'm just you know I'm over all

3186
02:24:05,849 --> 02:24:03,939
the religious belief parts of this it's

3187
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:05,859
getting to a point where you go online

3188
02:24:12,779 --> 02:24:07,600
you just have to quickly avert your eyes

3189
02:24:15,809 --> 02:24:12,789
from there in the ufology world that

3190
02:24:16,679 --> 02:24:15,819
they've seen Close Encounters in et1 too

3191
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Dreyfuss they're gonna come get me

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they're gonna take me well that's what

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happened to his career I think we have

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3303
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okay so I don't know his career was

3304
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:14,610
still pretty good after that Richard oh

3305
02:29:18,980 --> 02:29:17,040
yeah yeah by the way he played Dick

3306
02:29:22,370 --> 02:29:18,990
Cheney in a movie didn't he w yeah he

3307
02:29:24,170 --> 02:29:22,380
did he did a good job - although I'm

3308
02:29:26,060 --> 02:29:24,180
gonna have to Netflix that believe it or

3309
02:29:28,460 --> 02:29:26,070
not that that one came out I think when

3310
02:29:31,010 --> 02:29:28,470
I was still in my out of the country a

3311
02:29:33,350 --> 02:29:31,020
lot phase so there's a lot of movies and

3312
02:29:34,310 --> 02:29:33,360
stuff that I missed good that's

3313
02:29:35,900 --> 02:29:34,320
interesting

3314
02:29:38,060 --> 02:29:35,910
you know let's just get back to this any

3315
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:38,070
more questions Chris in the till there's

3316
02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:40,080
one another one from Greer's meeting

3317
02:29:46,250 --> 02:29:42,930
planner just I just can't get over that

3318
02:29:47,930 --> 02:29:46,260
name from Sydney Australia you make some

3319
02:29:50,180 --> 02:29:47,940
assertions when talking about Dells

3320
02:29:52,820 --> 02:29:50,190
arrow drawings for example domes on the

3321
02:29:54,350 --> 02:29:52,830
pictures are not balloons and you talk

3322
02:29:56,570 --> 02:29:54,360
about the maneuvering capability of the

3323
02:29:57,770 --> 02:29:56,580
craft I guess of the drawing that you

3324
02:30:00,110 --> 02:29:57,780
have there and that they have

3325
02:30:01,310 --> 02:30:00,120
anti-gravity technology his question is

3326
02:30:02,540 --> 02:30:01,320
how do you know from just looking at

3327
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:02,550
drawings that they have these

3328
02:30:05,060 --> 02:30:03,450
capabilities

3329
02:30:07,130 --> 02:30:05,070
I don't know from just looking at

3330
02:30:08,990 --> 02:30:07,140
drawings this is from Del shells own

3331
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:09,000
commentary I guess there's some folks

3332
02:30:14,570 --> 02:30:11,610
that they're not aware that del shall he

3333
02:30:16,790 --> 02:30:14,580
kept a diary a journal of his experience

3334
02:30:19,460 --> 02:30:16,800
with the Sonora Aero Club this comes

3335
02:30:22,130 --> 02:30:19,470
from his own descriptions of witnessing

3336
02:30:24,890 --> 02:30:22,140
these things fly and what he said they

3337
02:30:27,140 --> 02:30:24,900
were so that comes from more than just

3338
02:30:30,260 --> 02:30:27,150
looking at the drawings it's fascinating

3339
02:30:32,930 --> 02:30:30,270
stuff if the questioner is not familiar

3340
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:32,940
with it I recommend the Dennis Crenshaw

3341
02:30:37,550 --> 02:30:35,010
book secrets Adel shall and I I

3342
02:30:41,210 --> 02:30:37,560
especially recommend the gallery book

3343
02:30:44,270 --> 02:30:41,220
the Stephan Romano has put out the art

3344
02:30:47,630 --> 02:30:44,280
of del shall that that includes some of

3345
02:30:50,360 --> 02:30:47,640
the diary entries and pages and it's

3346
02:30:53,060 --> 02:30:50,370
like the best presented collection of

3347
02:30:56,660 --> 02:30:53,070
the del shall art it's an amazing book

3348
02:31:00,230 --> 02:30:56,670
it's it's worth every dime but yeah this

3349
02:31:03,230 --> 02:31:00,240
comes from this comes from you know what

3350
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:03,240
we're told is witness testimony of what

3351
02:31:09,310 --> 02:31:06,050
these things did and what they were wow

3352
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:09,320
that's way ahead of the technology curve

3353
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:12,960
indeed it is here's one from sign

3354
02:31:21,050 --> 02:31:17,520
flosser and I guess he or she has some

3355
02:31:22,100 --> 02:31:21,060
teeth issues but several years ago on

3356
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:22,110
radio mysterioso

3357
02:31:25,160 --> 02:31:23,490
mentioned something you heard from a

3358
02:31:27,560 --> 02:31:25,170
foreigner colleague about us stealth

3359
02:31:29,421 --> 02:31:27,570
aircraft operations and basically it's a

3360
02:31:31,640 --> 02:31:29,431
long question but but the upshot of it

3361
02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:31,650
is that there was some sense that we

3362
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:34,290
send something in prior to the strike

3363
02:31:40,370 --> 02:31:38,130
aircraft and Gregg's suggested on the

3364
02:31:42,921 --> 02:31:40,380
show that possibly her holography was a

3365
02:31:46,251 --> 02:31:42,931
possible explanation of what we send in

3366
02:31:49,341 --> 02:31:46,261
prior to shock-and-awe type operations

3367
02:31:51,801 --> 02:31:49,351
at the time you weren't really that you

3368
02:31:53,961 --> 02:31:51,811
were a little reluctant to speak address

3369
02:31:57,890 --> 02:31:53,971
that but is really what can you tell us

3370
02:32:00,261 --> 02:31:57,900
about about something akin to some sort

3371
02:32:01,671 --> 02:32:00,271
of high technology that we utilize along

3372
02:32:05,360 --> 02:32:01,681
with conventional technology in that

3373
02:32:08,900 --> 02:32:05,370
manner what I said on that is what I'm

3374
02:32:12,921 --> 02:32:08,910
aware of on that and that's the extent

3375
02:32:15,770 --> 02:32:12,931
to which I'm willing to discuss that let

3376
02:32:18,831 --> 02:32:15,780
me just parenthetically we have another

3377
02:32:21,051 --> 02:32:18,841
talk show host who is the most popular

3378
02:32:23,930 --> 02:32:21,061
talk show host on this network Alex

3379
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:23,940
Jones and who stock-in-trade is

3380
02:32:30,381 --> 02:32:27,170
conspiracy theories mm-hmm false flags

3381
02:32:33,440 --> 02:32:30,391
yeah 9/11 do you think he's onto

3382
02:32:37,310 --> 02:32:33,450
anything with that in a general sense

3383
02:32:40,730 --> 02:32:37,320
anybody who goes that direction is going

3384
02:32:43,461 --> 02:32:40,740
to come across these things that that

3385
02:32:47,810 --> 02:32:43,471
are that they're onto the right track

3386
02:32:52,060 --> 02:32:47,820
now he specifically you know I I find

3387
02:32:54,831 --> 02:32:52,070
his presentation to be you know

3388
02:32:57,530 --> 02:32:54,841
sensational and that I don't think

3389
02:33:01,070 --> 02:32:57,540
serves perhaps what he's trying to

3390
02:33:03,740 --> 02:33:01,080
convey well for most people but to some

3391
02:33:06,261 --> 02:33:03,750
degree you know yeah he's he's on to

3392
02:33:08,810 --> 02:33:06,271
something but I think there's other

3393
02:33:12,591 --> 02:33:08,820
people out there that are onto more you

3394
02:33:14,990 --> 02:33:12,601
know for a while yeah what do you think

3395
02:33:18,081 --> 02:33:15,000
of Tom DeLonge in this you know the

3396
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:18,091
blink-182 frontman and and his kind of

3397
02:33:23,150 --> 02:33:20,370
grandstanding comments about having

3398
02:33:25,430 --> 02:33:23,160
insight in military sources and then

3399
02:33:27,591 --> 02:33:25,440
butanol space and what do you think

3400
02:33:29,360 --> 02:33:27,601
about someone like a celebrity such as

3401
02:33:30,821 --> 02:33:29,370
the Tom DeLonge coming along and trying

3402
02:33:33,421 --> 02:33:30,831
to

3403
02:33:36,341 --> 02:33:33,431
I don't know sort of steal a bunch of

3404
02:33:39,611 --> 02:33:36,351
headlines and limelight in a subject

3405
02:33:41,381 --> 02:33:39,621
that I mean deservedly should be getting

3406
02:33:43,171 --> 02:33:41,391
more attention but do you feel that kind

3407
02:33:46,091 --> 02:33:43,181
of attention and that figure heading

3408
02:33:47,890 --> 02:33:46,101
approaches is really do you think it's

3409
02:33:48,821 --> 02:33:47,900
beneficial or do you think it detracts

3410
02:33:51,041 --> 02:33:48,831
from a subject

3411
02:33:53,591 --> 02:33:51,051
unfortunately I here's the thing I think

3412
02:33:56,591 --> 02:33:53,601
Tom DeLonge is very sincere you know

3413
02:33:58,600 --> 02:33:56,601
about his interests and his pursuit of

3414
02:34:01,361 --> 02:33:58,610
this stuff I really do I think he's

3415
02:34:05,051 --> 02:34:01,371
sincere about it to an extent that he

3416
02:34:08,081 --> 02:34:05,061
can get some media attention that he can

3417
02:34:10,600 --> 02:34:08,091
through that shed some light you know

3418
02:34:12,430 --> 02:34:10,610
more brighter light on these subjects

3419
02:34:14,741 --> 02:34:12,440
that we are interested in however

3420
02:34:18,821 --> 02:34:14,751
unfortunately I think that you know

3421
02:34:22,051 --> 02:34:18,831
someone like him can be easily used by

3422
02:34:26,251 --> 02:34:22,061
essentially disinformation agents or

3423
02:34:30,131 --> 02:34:26,261
people who have impressive credentials

3424
02:34:32,651 --> 02:34:30,141
from you know this military industrial

3425
02:34:34,691 --> 02:34:32,661
world and they're just for whatever

3426
02:34:38,470 --> 02:34:34,701
reason they just want attention and this

3427
02:34:42,730 --> 02:34:38,480
is their chance to manipulate a sincere

3428
02:34:47,020 --> 02:34:42,740
person you know with BS so I you know

3429
02:34:49,691 --> 02:34:47,030
I've heard recently that about that he

3430
02:34:52,331 --> 02:34:49,701
has been talking about something but I

3431
02:34:54,401 --> 02:34:52,341
honestly I don't know the details as to

3432
02:34:56,680 --> 02:34:54,411
what he's been saying he was told and

3433
02:34:59,230 --> 02:34:56,690
and what he plans to do with it I'm just

3434
02:35:01,661 --> 02:34:59,240
aware that there is a Tom DeLonge thing

3435
02:35:03,611 --> 02:35:01,671
going on and that's my present

3436
02:35:05,081 --> 02:35:03,621
assessment of it is unfortunately said

3437
02:35:08,651 --> 02:35:05,091
much that's just it I mean yeah

3438
02:35:10,661 --> 02:35:08,661
unfortunately yeah it's just too easy to

3439
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:10,671
use someone like that and their

3440
02:35:14,921 --> 02:35:12,650
unwitting that that you know they're

3441
02:35:18,191 --> 02:35:14,931
being strung along and so you have to

3442
02:35:19,331 --> 02:35:18,201
you know take it you know with a big a

3443
02:35:21,131 --> 02:35:19,341
big grain of salt

3444
02:35:23,980 --> 02:35:21,141
even on Chris you know this even on you

3445
02:35:25,871 --> 02:35:23,990
know our level so to speak we have to be

3446
02:35:27,941 --> 02:35:25,881
careful when someone comes out of the

3447
02:35:29,921 --> 02:35:27,951
woodwork with something and we're not in

3448
02:35:33,131 --> 02:35:29,931
a famous rock band we don't get that

3449
02:35:35,461 --> 02:35:33,141
much attention and we have to be careful

3450
02:35:38,441 --> 02:35:35,471
so I would I would hope that he's being

3451
02:35:40,781 --> 02:35:38,451
seriously you know doing some serious

3452
02:35:43,121 --> 02:35:40,791
critical analysis of whatever and

3453
02:35:44,370 --> 02:35:43,131
whoever this is well in their that

3454
02:35:47,500 --> 02:35:44,380
therein lies the

3455
02:35:49,929 --> 02:35:47,510
you really need a well finely tuned and

3456
02:35:53,800 --> 02:35:49,939
well honed BS meter yeah I don't think

3457
02:35:56,679 --> 02:35:53,810
people who come to this field with a big

3458
02:36:00,340 --> 02:35:56,689
splash have the depth of knowledge and

3459
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:00,350
the experience of dealing with thousands

3460
02:36:04,600 --> 02:36:02,090
of individuals within this subject

3461
02:36:06,219 --> 02:36:04,610
matter to to have developed that kind of

3462
02:36:08,679 --> 02:36:06,229
finally to invest meter and

3463
02:36:13,389 --> 02:36:08,689
unfortunately like you said you're prone

3464
02:36:15,700 --> 02:36:13,399
to excitement and sort of that special

3465
02:36:20,820 --> 02:36:15,710
destiny person energy that a lot of

3466
02:36:26,410 --> 02:36:20,830
people fall prey to oh yeah and you know

3467
02:36:28,780 --> 02:36:26,420
and we all need you know a BS meter on

3468
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:28,790
our own BS - we all need to remind

3469
02:36:32,440 --> 02:36:31,250
ourselves - you know when when you're

3470
02:36:33,370 --> 02:36:32,450
doing the research and when you're

3471
02:36:34,810 --> 02:36:33,380
putting the book out there when you're

3472
02:36:37,570 --> 02:36:34,820
talking about these things you know I

3473
02:36:40,300 --> 02:36:37,580
remind myself you know I could be wrong

3474
02:36:42,820 --> 02:36:40,310
about my conclusions now I fairly I

3475
02:36:45,070 --> 02:36:42,830
think I state that in my works

3476
02:36:47,050 --> 02:36:45,080
I've increasingly you know tried to make

3477
02:36:50,410 --> 02:36:47,060
it even more clear when I'm speculating

3478
02:36:53,290 --> 02:36:50,420
I I try to say hey this is just my

3479
02:36:54,730 --> 02:36:53,300
theory this is my speculation I could be

3480
02:36:56,500 --> 02:36:54,740
wrong I don't think I am at this point

3481
02:36:58,000 --> 02:36:56,510
but I I acknowledge that I could be

3482
02:37:00,250 --> 02:36:58,010
totally off the mark

3483
02:37:01,990 --> 02:37:00,260
but you know being able to stand there

3484
02:37:03,639 --> 02:37:02,000
firmly and say I'm absolutely right

3485
02:37:05,860 --> 02:37:03,649
about this is not the point of why I

3486
02:37:07,719 --> 02:37:05,870
write my books you know I write them

3487
02:37:10,600 --> 02:37:07,729
because I have found something that's

3488
02:37:13,210 --> 02:37:10,610
interesting enough to justify the

3489
02:37:17,139 --> 02:37:13,220
discussion and I think there's people

3490
02:37:19,360 --> 02:37:17,149
out there that they have gotten the idea

3491
02:37:21,880 --> 02:37:19,370
that when somebody puts something in a

3492
02:37:25,300 --> 02:37:21,890
book that they're saying that this

3493
02:37:27,100 --> 02:37:25,310
absolutely is it's firmly true so you

3494
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:27,110
know the biggest thing I can say about

3495
02:37:32,620 --> 02:37:30,560
my books is decide for yourself that's

3496
02:37:33,969 --> 02:37:32,630
my ultimate message you decide for

3497
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:33,979
yourself

3498
02:37:37,960 --> 02:37:36,170
Walter Bosley please tell our listeners

3499
02:37:39,219 --> 02:37:37,970
where they can find more about your

3500
02:37:42,400 --> 02:37:39,229
stuff okay

3501
02:37:44,980 --> 02:37:42,410
I am at amazon.com my books are on

3502
02:37:49,530 --> 02:37:44,990
Kindle and also for those who prefer

3503
02:37:53,500 --> 02:37:49,540
printed books I am at lu lu lu lu comm I

3504
02:37:55,150 --> 02:37:53,510
have a blog which I occasionally will

3505
02:37:56,500 --> 02:37:55,160
update it's not a regular daily or

3506
02:37:58,480 --> 02:37:56,510
weekly thing

3507
02:38:01,719 --> 02:37:58,490
I try to get there at least monthly its

3508
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:01,729
empire of the wheel blogspot.com

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02:38:06,849 --> 02:38:04,010
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3524
02:38:53,080 --> 02:38:51,410
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3525
02:38:55,059 --> 02:38:53,090
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3526
02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:55,069
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3527
02:39:05,831 --> 02:38:57,050
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